I heard that MS was getting complaints that the tests were a little too
easy and that people were taking the tests just to get their foot in the
door. Now, they're making their tests more difficult and state that you
should have at least 1 years worth of experience before you take the
test. So yes, it should actually start to mean something again. It will
weed out the wannabes and focus on real talent.

As far as training goes, I'm currently taking Java and I plan to get my
degree (in C.S probably). IMO - I think the days of just getting a
certification or two will take you to the top are gone. As a result of
the dot bombs and a sagging economy, managers and executives are wanting
multi-talented people that not only bring a tech know-how, but business
savvy, management skills, psychological skills, etc. to the table. This
means that having a formal education will be paramount in the future.
I'm not saying that if you don't have a degree, you won't get hired. But
I do think that those of us that have aspirations to climb the ladder or
to be able to have a better selection of jobs, the degree will be
essential.

Sorry for the rant there... Anyway, I'm trying to branch out and not be
so CF-centric. I really like CF, but it's better to have many different
tools in the old tool box. Sure, you can drive screws with a hammer, but
it would be a lot better if you had a screw driver to do the job.

Of course, that's just my opinion. But I could be wrong...

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:33 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Edumication Was : I almost forgot to mention, "yay me!!"


Congrats Todd !!

If I was you I'd chase the Oracle certifications as it probably has the
most
real value, both in terms of salary and usefulness.  Although the MCSE
should bounce back a little since all the millions who certified on NT
4.0
will expire this year (alas we knew them well) and they have to
re-certify
(tell me about it, a 4-hour exam which I hear has a very low pass rate).

Just as a question to y'all,
Are people cross-training into new technologies at the moment, like
taking
Java classes etc.?
Is anyone taking non-tech classes?  It might be interesting for the list
to
hear what people are into ! 

;-)
Kevster

(taking a java class and car maintenance this semester in the local
community college)

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 3:11 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: I almost forgot to mention, "yay me!!"


I got a new job, everyone, woohoo!.  I start this coming Wednesday.  The
job
includes a pay raise, a drastic increase in benefits, and as many free
certifications as I can complete, including MCSD, CIW, CCNA, MCSE(+I),
A+,
Oracle, and others.  I'll still be doing CF stuff, but I *think* I'm the
only CF certified person there.  Since they are a training facility,
maybe I
can convince them to help me get my CF Instructor certification and add
those services to the company's offerings.  I'm rather shy (wouldn't
believe
it by reading the embarrassing crap I write in here would you? heh) and
public speaking isn't my forte, but I still think it would be cool to do
some training.

Anyway .. just wanted to share the good news.  The only bad news is that
I
have to wear a tie.  Evil things.  Whomever decided that men would look
fashionable with a rope tied around their necks must have been a woman.
Think about it.  Ties can be deadly around fax machines, printers,
photocopiers, and paper shredders, and these things are often found in
places where ties are prolific.  The easy solution is to toss it over
your
shoulder while working with any equipment, but the things are
conveniently
made of silk, which causes them to slip off and fall back into place.
It's
a conspiracy, I tell you!  Evil, evil things ..

Here's hoping I survive my first week!

Todd
-----
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my ability to breathe comfortably
the
most.
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