That was very well stated and I obviously misread you.
Please accept my apologies.
I also want to thank you for going to war you are a
truly brave man and I respect that and wish a safe
return. For the record I never served.
Against many people on the list�s wishes I will
respond bellow.
--- loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hehehehehe
>
> Well for one I am probably the last person on this
> list that could ever be
> called left or liberal. I am an activated
> infantryman in the 29th infantry
> division. I was a republican for years, until the
> hypocrisy made me look
> elsewhere. Now I am a libertarian. In many things
> I am probably further to
> the right than you are. I am a project manager and
> security analyst for
> Diplomatic Security at the U.S. Department of State.
> I hold a pretty high
> clearance, in a reasonably sensitive position.
>
I�m not really to the right. I don�t believe in any of
the Conservative core values.
I�m pro-choice.
I support a right to bare arms but don�t believe in
the need for assault weapons. I have no strong
feelings either way.
My car is American made and gets over 30mpg.
Not even sure what there other core values are but
probably don�t support them.
> I have been writing code in one form or another
> since 4th grade, that's like
> 20 years now. I have done community work, taught,
> been published, spoken at
> security conferences, and been elected to an
> international standards body
> (or so my resume says). Now I would like to know
> what any of that has to do
> with the argument about whether or not bush is a
> good president.
I only mentioned it because you called me a troll.
Just stating I�m a ColdFusion community member for a
long time even if I haven�t posted here before.
> Before you label me you might want to check your
> facts. Facts are the
> reason that I said what I did. I went back and
> looked at your comments and
> saw them lacking in verifiable details. Larry and
> Dana and I will often
> argue about policies and ethics. We disagree on
> many many things. However
> I have found that they both will either be open to
> new ideas, or have
> verifiable facts to back up their opinions. We do
> not generally resort to
> name calling and insulting each other to try and
> prove some obscure point.
> I have seen you do that.
I only do that after I�m attacked. M H was relentless
in the name calling all because I had a different
point of view. None of what he said was provoked. Then
making fun of my writing skills I saw as a way to
shame me off the list. I haven�t done much writing in
20 years. Plus I was under attack from so many
different angles I didn�t know I had to stop and spell
check. That doesn�t mean I don�t read and know the
issues. I write code, if you misspell you throw an
exception.
I do back up all my points with blurbs and links. But
because I mention Rush they�re automatically
dismissed. Rush himself is discredited because he had
a drug problem. Nobody can find fault in what he says,
but they dismiss him because of his drug abuse. That�s
not a fair debate, that�s just avoiding the facts by
calling him a junkie.
>
> Finally, I am about to leave to fight in one of the
> wars you're so proud of.
> I have been defending this nation in one form or
> another for the past 7
> years. I have spent time in the 82nd Airborne
> Division and E co 629 MI
> (LRSD, Airborne) a special operations human
> intelligence unit. I know what
> the end result of failed national policy is. I do
> not lightly express my
> support for any conflict. I supported the invasion
> of Iraq, just not for
> the stated reasons. I think that oil is of vital
> national interest, and I
> think that Sadaam's force broke the cease fire many
> times. Those are good
> enough reasons to invade for me. However I think it
> is unconscionable how
> this administration went in front of it's citizens
> (I could give two shits
> about the U.N.) and told what they knew to be lies.
That�s the issue I want to know about. I don�t know
the facts; I just know what I read. But to take
Moore�s word of all published accounts is where I have
a problem.
Nobody disputes Iraq had WMD�s years ago and now
they�re missing. UN confirmed they destroyed some but
the rest are still missing. Bush�s reason for war was
that those WMD�s would end up in the hands of
terrorist that wanted to hurt America. So I don�t see
the lies. He never claimed, until two weeks ago, that
Iraq was tied to Al Queda. I�m willing to talk about
the so-called lies but everyone keeps pointing to
Moore. Show me something that�s at least half credible
and I might be swayed.
> I work for Secretary
> Powell. I used to Idolize the man, and I personally
> can no longer stomach
> him after he allowed his dignity and respect, earned
> out on the sharp end,
> to be used to snow the people of this great nation.
Wow, I know he�s a company man and will not go the
Ollie North route to save his ass but I never thought
he�d lose that much respect from the military. I
wonder how many others feel that way.
> I will temper my
> feelings some what in how Browne and Root is
> portrayed. I know personally
> that there are not other companies that can provide
> the same level of
> excellence in combat service and support, freeing up
> troops for the fight.
> I have dealt with them in many countries, on three
> continents. They are
> hands down the best. This still does not excuse
> them price gouging and even
> defrauding the government and by proxy the American
> people.
I definitely agree with you there. But I also don�t
blame Cheney. They�ve been doing it for years and
maybe the Bush administration is guilty of not putting
extra safeguards in place but nobodies done it before.
No reason to impeach Bush on this.
> Sam, I am sorry if I put you off too easy. I had
> read the comments of the
> other members of this list and found some very well
> reasoned arguments and
> figured that if they were unable to sway you, or at
> least challenge you to
> bring forth your evidence of greatness, that I would
> be equally impotent in
> the face of your vitriolic and oft times pedestrian
> attacks.
I don�t feel I was doing the attacking but the
defending. They were using Michael Moore rumors and I
was quoting liberals that were calling his statements
lies. They wouldn�t discuss the corrections with me
just call me names.
> I hope you enjoyed our holiday, I know that I did.
> If you had read the
> comments that were made that day you may have
> realized that though many of
> us do not agree here, we are all American's
> (*even/especially our immigrant
> friends, well except gel and some of those pesky
> foreigners) and all of our
> opinions matter.
Ø Tim
Yes, the beauty of this country is freedom of speech
applies to all, not just the citizens. But out of
common courtesy, while a guest here, take one day off
from the rhetoric and enjoy the holiday. That�s all I
meant.
Thanks,
And if I�m slurring a bid don�t call the English
teacher, it�s because I�m still celebrating the
holiday.
Again best of luck and kick some ass.
-sm
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