> the Conservative core values.
> I�m pro-choice.
> I support a right to bare arms but don�t believe in
> the need for assault weapons. I have no strong
> feelings either way.
> My car is American made and gets over 30mpg.
> Not even sure what there other core values are but
> probably don�t support them.
As a libertarian I am pro-choice, socially liberal and fiscally
conservative. You should look into it. Not really sure why you would want
to support the Bush administration with your stated beliefs. Also Rush
Limbaugh, as a past fan I know, will often blindly follow the republican
parties lead in all things, even when it's wrong, remember NAFTA?
> I only mentioned it because you called me a troll.
> Just stating I�m a ColdFusion community member for a
> long time even if I haven�t posted here before.
You hadn't posted here before is the key. This isn't CF-Talk. We are a
pretty small tight night community. Had you come to my high school or one
of my units in the army with the same defensive attitude there would have
been a fist fight.
> I only do that after I�m attacked. M H was relentless
> in the name calling all because I had a different
> point of view. None of what he said was provoked. Then
> making fun of my writing skills I saw as a way to
> shame me off the list. I haven�t done much writing in
> 20 years. Plus I was under attack from so many
> different angles I didn�t know I had to stop and spell
> check. That doesn�t mean I don�t read and know the
> issues. I write code, if you misspell you throw an
> exception.
While we are a close bunch we are very forward. Most of use here have met
each other and know what we can get away with. You added a bit of an
unknown element and came on strong in your own right. Should just back up
and slow down. Don't take presidential politics personally.
> I do back up all my points with blurbs and links. But
> because I mention Rush they�re automatically
> dismissed. Rush himself is discredited because he had
> a drug problem. Nobody can find fault in what he says,
> but they dismiss him because of his drug abuse. That�s
> not a fair debate, that�s just avoiding the facts by
> calling him a junkie.
Rush discredited himself in my eyes long ago. The latest drug problem just
proved how big a hypocrite he really is.
> That�s the issue I want to know about. I don�t know
> the facts; I just know what I read. But to take
> Moore�s word of all published accounts is where I have
> a problem.
I read several people here that said essentially the same thing. Mr.. Moore
(who I despise) made a movie rife with opinion and innuendo. However there
were some points that they wanted to look into further, Kellogg Browne and
Root being one of them.
> Nobody disputes Iraq had WMD�s years ago and now
> they�re missing. UN confirmed they destroyed some but
> the rest are still missing. Bush�s reason for war was
> that those WMD�s would end up in the hands of
> terrorist that wanted to hurt America. So I don�t see
> the lies. He never claimed, until two weeks ago, that
> Iraq was tied to Al Queda. I�m willing to talk about
> the so-called lies but everyone keeps pointing to
> Moore. Show me something that�s at least half credible
> and I might be swayed.
Not sure where you were at the beginning of this but the administration has
claimed Al Queda and Iraq (specifically Baaths) had made contact and may
have been working together. Remember the talk of the wide body aircraft
used to train hijackers? What about the Czech ambassador and President
saying there were meetings in their nation? I personally still think the
Czech connection has been overlooked.
Other lies? The mobile chem/bio labs? The hundreds and thousands of
chem/bio capable rounds that they knew the location of? Listen Tenant isn't
out of his position for nothing. It was an intel failure, and the
administration did pump up the estimates it had available. When you are
doing that to start a war you are lying, and in doing so getting Americans
killed.
> > I work for Secretary
> > Powell. I used to Idolize the man, and I personally
> > can no longer stomach
> > him after he allowed his dignity and respect, earned
> > out on the sharp end,
> > to be used to snow the people of this great nation.
> Wow, I know he�s a company man and will not go the
> Ollie North route to save his ass but I never thought
> he�d lose that much respect from the military. I
> wonder how many others feel that way.
I know many that do.
>> I will temper my
>> feelings some what in how Browne and Root is
>> portrayed. I know personally
>> that there are not other companies that can provide
>> the same level of
>> excellence in combat service and support, freeing up
>> troops for the fight.
>> I have dealt with them in many countries, on three
>> continents. They are
>> hands down the best. This still does not excuse
>> them price gouging and even
>> defrauding the government and by proxy the American
>> people.
> I definitely agree with you there. But I also don�t
> blame Cheney. They�ve been doing it for years and
> maybe the Bush administration is guilty of not putting
> extra safeguards in place but nobodies done it before.
> No reason to impeach Bush on this.
Cheney is the one getting heat for this. He worked for and with them, and
there is testimony that "his office" eased the way of some of the contracts
through the appropriations process. This is wrong. He may not gain profits
directly form this incident, but the company becomes larger and stronger
from it, and his options will be worth more when he converts them into real
stock. Additionally when he is out of office he will surely be back at work
there, I am sure with a hefty raise.
> I don�t feel I was doing the attacking but the
> defending. They were using Michael Moore rumors and I
> was quoting liberals that were calling his statements
> lies. They wouldn�t discuss the corrections with me
> just call me names.
Initially I saw people responding to you, I think that the turning point was
the world net daily. That rag has been completely discredited to all but
the most right wing and conspiracy minded of people.
> Yes, the beauty of this country is freedom of speech
> applies to all, not just the citizens. But out of
> common courtesy, while a guest here, take one day off
> from the rhetoric and enjoy the holiday. That�s all I
> meant.
That holiday is the time when we need to most secure the rights of the
people. How can the celebration of freedom be construed to deny people
those very same freedoms?
> Again best of luck and kick some ass.
If I never fire my weapon it will be too soon. With this sentence I know
you have never served, certainly not out on the sharp end. I only hope to
come home and watch my kids grow up. I will kill anything that tries to
stop me from my stated goal. That's what war is brother.
-sm
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