being a foreigner here. Is there something I am missing?
Here is my position. Gays and Lesbians are being denied equal rights
based on genetic and physiological reasons. They are denied the right
of equal treatment before the law.
They are denied the freedom, and all the attendant rights and
responsibilities, to marry the person of their choice, whether you
call it a civil union or marriage is irrelevant.
In comparison, in the 50's and 60's the laws prohibiting inter-racial
couples from marrying were struck down. The same reasoning that
applied to those cases applies to cases involving same sex couples.As
an exercise, I suggest you might want to read the legal briefs of the
defenders of these laws. Now take those same arguments and replace the
words negro, or black etc with homosexual or lesbian. Then compare
them to what you've been saying. Unfortunately there is not a lot of
difference between the two sets of arguments.
larry
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:43:46 -0400, Monique Boea
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No one is denying them equal rights.
>
> They are being denied the power to change an instutition that has been
> around for ages. That is part of our culture, society, community.
>
> That is what the fight is about.
>
> The black civil rights movement is NOT the same.
>
> You all continue to offend me by saying this.
>
> The ONLY right that gays do not have is to marry. It's not like they can't
> go into restaraunts, go to certain schools, ride the bus, they don't have to
> witness their partners being raped in the middle of the night, have their
> children taken from them and sold, get denied promotions, get denied
> apartments, home loans, get denied an interview and job because of the sound
> of their name or their skin color etc. etc.
>
> I think comparing the plight of these two groups is asinine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:32 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage
>
> They do? How?
>
> Monique I researched this issue several years ago, both looking at
> current methods and alternatives such as Reparative Therapy. I found
> no data in a methodologically adequate article from a peer reviewed
> reputable journal that reliably demonstrated that homosexuality could
> be changed. The best I could find is a few poorly done behavioral
> studies that barely fiti into my criteria for including into a
> meta-analysis. In other words there is no scientific evidence that you
> can make gay people straight.
>
> Then there are scams like the various Christian based reparative
> therapies. I do not use that word lightly. I contact the offices of
> most of the groups. None refuse to release sucess rates, drop out
> rates, followups or any other data that would indicate how well they
> are doing. The organizers of the largest group in the 90's came out
> again and detailed how the scam was done. I did however interview
> several people who went through this sort of program. Not one was
> straight not one has stopped being gay. Several were very unhappy. One
> was relatively happy and relaxed. He was in a long term committed
> relationship with a same sex partner.
>
> Combine that data with the very strong line of data which support the
> physiological basis of homosexuality. What I can only conclude is that
> gays should not be discriminated against because of something they
> cannot change, and that is as much a part of them as your being a
> woman and being black. Therefore changing the constitution to reduce
> their rights is akin to repealing the 13th or 19th amendments.
>
> Besides why should all of us straights be miserable. If homosexual
> and lesbian couples could marry we could spread the misery around. :)
>
> larry
>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:56:07 -0400, Monique Boea
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ask an ex-gay person what they think of that.
> >
> > (They do exist)
> _____
>
>
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