-----Original Message-----
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:32 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Bible
Here's an even better idea: remove the word "marriage" completely from the
legal discourse, and call EVERYTHING a "civil union".
Marriage is, after all, just a sacrament of the Christian religion. Once
again seperation of church and state is the answer :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Monique Boea
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Bible
Ok here's what I got out of the debate and I think it;s a good thing.
I agree with the fact that gays should not be denied the same rights as
far
as benefits, taxes. etc.
I also agree that the government (state and fed or either) should come up
with a resolution that will please everyone and I think that this is
possible.
Leave the instituation of marriage alone AND give gays equal rights under
the law.
That would be a good resolution for me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Monique Boea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:00 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Bible
Yes.
Just as a fornicator must, an adulterer, a murderer or any other type of
sinner.
-----Original Message-----
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:57 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Bible
Thats an interesting post.
I was raised Christian, and while i haven't read the Bible cover to cover,
i
have read quite a bit of it. You are correct in that my post was not
really
accurate: you cannot just go out sinning to your hearts content and then
expect to be forgiven.
I guess i need to pose a question. If Christ views homosexuals as sinners,
what then must a homosexual do in order to "take Jesus into his heart" so
as
to be forgiven? Must he renounce his homosexuality?
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Small
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Bible
Ya gotta read the book to understand the religion.
I'm going to go on the the assumption that you don't read the Bible
enough
to understand a Christian viewpoint as your below message inferrs that you
don't practice the religion.
American secular non-Christians (and by that, I mean people who do not
follow the teachings of Jesus Christ or any other organized religion) have
come to believe that the message of love by JC is a permission slip to do
anything they want under the context that it's all ok because they'll
still
be loved. Only half right.
All Christians strive to be more like Jesus. That is the charge that is
given to us in the Bible - follow the teachings and practice them in the
manner that JC Himself did while He was on earth. However, as we all have
Original Sin, none of us can come close to achieving the perfection that
Jesus lived. Hence, we all commit sin, even Christians.
Your second paragraph - "You will NEVER convince me that any Christian
religion would condem anyone for their actions." completely sidesteps the
whole acceptance of JC as Lord and Savior in order to go to Heaven. The
fact is, under Christian doctrine, you ARE loved; you WILL be punished for
your sins on Earth UNLESS you accept JC into your heart and allow Him to
forgive you.
The failure with your argument against Christianity here is that you are
condemning a whole group of people based on their belief that a particular
action is wrong, and you're trying to use their belief system as a tool to
do it.
The point you're really missing is that Christians believe that
homosexuality is wrong, but the homosexual can still be loved and accepted
by Jesus and go to Heaven. As it is with murder, it is wrong, but the
murderer can still go to Heaven under the right circumstances.
Some actions are just wrong, no matter what spin you put on it, what
religion you practice, or whether or not it affects somebody else.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: G
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:33 AM
Subject: Bible
Once you start quoting the Bible as a source for defending an issue in
this day and age, yer throwing in the towel.
You will NEVER convince me that any Christian religion would condem
anyone for their actions. Very simply put: Christ broke bread with ever
manner of sinner in his day. To now say that homosexuals are evil and yada
yada yada is ridiculous when looked at in that context.
Christ loved ALL....his followers don't seem to think they have to be
held to that same standard.
Brian
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