Rooseveldt's quote in 1918:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public. (1918)
Or H. L. Mencken:
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve
and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country
more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of
us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to
crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
And the ever popular Hermann Goering:
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country.
Sound familiar.
larry
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:48:10 -0600, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I fail to see why the polls you cite are evidence of bias. They show
> you to be in a minority :) but that doesn't mean they are biased. Now
> there *is* a little thing called a margin of error, which allowed
> different media to simultaneously say Bush was ahead and Kerry was
> ahead this week... but this is a matter of headlines not reflecting
> all the caveats properly. Statistical data can actually be quite
> accurate if properly handled.
>
> But my point is that once more I click a link that you say proves that
> Canadians hate Americans, and gee, it says nothing of the kind. It
> says Canadians hope Bush loses the election.
>
> I hate to harp on the Canadian issue, but I spent my childhood there
> after all, have visited frequently since, and am in touch with a
> number of relatives there. So it's something I know a little about.
> And I simply do not believe that a Canadian journalist would say that
> Canadians hate Americans. Many of them would not want to live here,
> but that is not the same thing. Hoping that the US will get a
> president who won't compound the acid rain problem is not the same
> thing either.
>
> >So you're saying the 45% poll is all lies? OK, it very
> well could be. Do you swear your 36% number is
> accurate?
>
> I think I would believe a reputable polling company before I would
> believe a tabloid. I can't *swear* no but I believe that this is a
> reasonably accurate picture of public opinion.
>
> >You're taking things out of context. I said, for the
> fourth time, the Canadian journalist said that's how
> Canadians felt about Americans when O'Reilly asked her
> about the poll. SHE said it wasn't Bush they really
> didn't like it was the US.
>
> I think you misremember. If not, there should be a transcript or
> something out there,
>
> >Nope. You wouldn't necessarily be anti-American but
> you would be wrong.
>
> Ok, but if 85% of the Canadian population says this *they* are
> anti-American? You aren't making sense.
>
> >
> > Naw. George Bush is not the United States. Rush
> > *Limbaugh* is not the
> > United States. The United States is freedom. The
> > United States is
> > opportunity. It is belief in the individual and wide
> > open spaces and
> > reinvention and innovation. George Bush stands for
> > none of that and is
> > a danger to all of it.
> Did you ever wonder about the people that didn't agree
> with you? A lot of people, most Americans, believe
> he's making the world a better safer place. It's fine
> if you don't believe it but don't dismiss my thoughts
> just because yours differ.
>
> <g> I wonder about the people who don't agree with me all the time :)
> Seriously, *this* is an opinion, fair enough. And so is yours. But the
> facts you are giving me to support your opinion are just not doing the
> job for you :)
>
> -sm
> I just don't feel loved today :)
>
> awww :) just cause I said you should be bitchslapped if you believed
> that? But you said you don't... wait... you said you don't think I am
> anti-American for saying this... but Canadians are anti-American for
> saying this... but wait... I'm Canadian...
>
> hmm.
>
> Dana
>
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