been failures, and innovative efforts that were forced to be failures,
for whatever reason that the agendas of those involved, at the federal
level, state or city and board levels. Charter schools have less
accountability to the parent than regular schools and school systems.
For instance in California the company that ran a network of charter
schools went under recently because of financial and educations
problems.
As for competition, why not look at the data and what it shows.
Generally the data from large scales surveys, like the NORC data sets
(for the raw data go to NORC.org), show that the differences between
public and private schools are more apparent than real. When you
equate the samples, (and with a dataset of tens of thousands - 85,000
last I heard - that not difficult to do ), there are no statistically
significant differences on objective measures of educational
achievement.
As for the attitude change. Its something that was hashed out in the
clinical psychology field in the 70's and 80's. Mostly studies found
that attitude change resulted in little behavior change.
To give you an example of a typical study, the researchers would
compare groups of spider phobics and randomly assign them to one of
three groups. The first group received therapy directed at changing
the behaviors associated with the phobia. Another group received
therapy intended to change the person's attitudes about the phobic
object. The final comparisons were on how well the participants
interacted with spiders after a 12 week course of therapy. Those
receiving the attitude change treatment certainly felt better about
the phobic object, but would not touch it. Most of those who went
through the behavioral treatment felt just as good about it, and could
handle a spider.
In a nutshell changing behaviors changes attitudes, but it doesn't
necessarily work the other way around.
larry
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:39:40 -0500, Andy Ousterhout
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See below:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Agreed that the school system is not working as well
>
> Problems have been known for many years. How much innovation occurred
> before Charter Schools?
>
> Could you show any studies from peer reviewed journals, ...
> My comment was more a general statement about competitive and
> non-competitive models. The conservative side of me believes that competition
> is good for everyone and every model. My question was more along the lines of
> outside of education, where else has the competitive model failed to produce
> superior results?
>
> The question you ask is too large ..
> My question is based on my experience with my own behavior changes and as a
> coach of young kids. In these instances, to create change I helped
> visioned/helped kids vision what it would be like in the future and asked them
> to adjust their actions to what it would be like if they were already there.
> I view this as assuming the attitude first and the behavior changes follows.
> Probably my misuse of the English language..
>
> Now that said, one of the most general findings in psychology going
> back to the mid 60's is that measures of attitude change do not
> predict behavior with any degree of accuracy.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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