On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:18:20 -0500, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have to have a talk. I'm a huge Kierkegaard fan. As such I'm a huge > Sartre and Camus fan. I've been meaning to read more Kobo Abe books but > I've only managed to read Women in the Dunes. Personally, I find > Satre's work more intellectually convincing but the power of Camus' > humanity can not be overshadowed. His personal integrity and compassion > nudges him past Sartre. We had tickets to a local production of Sartre's play No Exit last weekend, but we weren't able to make it and now you two are making me feel bad about that. C'est la vie. -Kevin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139799 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:02 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:02 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:02 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.0.41] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFUw-0004tk-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:02 -0800 Received: from source ([70.84.9.187]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:28:40 EST Received: from www.mythtv.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.mythtv.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-14) with ESMTP id iBEGFpwZ004329; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:16:11 GMT Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by www.mythtv.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-14) with ESMTP id iBEGFC0Y003902 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:15:12 GMT Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so793019rne for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:15:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uAmv/olyQmreHlrIOwMuKUJ3TULoDxZbtBvUsyNwOMwjKrKuBbtBQ81QgNPaUw76wz6SVXoWCcgMqrY0fm47b03PVd112rYlQeeiLteeZamPpx8RMy7oncopkLT6O/2obDEFCcGzVAV4XIg6j7UaDVew/20dQYNJNS3yBh4ufXM= Received: by 10.38.181.65 with SMTP id d65mr2320903rnf; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.2.25 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:15:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:15:12 -0600 From: Josh Burks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Hard Drives that Actually Work? In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Josh Burks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users.mythtv.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0174600831==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.45000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 --===============0174600831== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder when my 200 GB WD is going to die.... I've had it about 6 months, and I'm using it as my XFS /video partition for my recordings. I haven't had any problems (yet). My next one will be a Seagate. Josh On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:53:36 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just had my second Western Digital Special Edition 200 GB drive die on me. > Since I'm using an ASUS Pundit, I figured heat was the culprit, so the second > drive had a dual-fan cooler on it. No such luck. After about three months > of use, performance suddenly degrades, and the journals begin to corrupt. A > few days later, I/O errors crop up, and the drive is pretty much useless. > > Are these drives just not up to the stress of a PVR? I'm interested in > hearing what kind of drives people have had good luck with, as I've about had > it with these. I'll get my third on warranty, but It won't be going back > into a myth box. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > mythtv-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > --===============0174600831== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users --===============0174600831==-- From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:03 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:03 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:03 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.0.41] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFUw-0004tt-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:02 -0800 Received: from source ([70.84.9.187]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:28:40 EST Received: from www.mythtv.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.mythtv.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-14) with ESMTP id iBEGGO6H004419; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:16:47 GMT Received: from tungsten.technicality.org (tungsten.technicality.org [65.193.17.5]) by www.mythtv.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-14) with ESMTP id iBEGDQ01002949 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:26 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tungsten.technicality.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-17) with ESMTP id iBEGDLNG012538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:13:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:13:21 -0600 (CST) From: Nate Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Hard Drives that Actually Work? In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 127.0.0.1 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users.mythtv.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1003020525==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:59.58231/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 --===============1003020525== Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Mark J. Small wrote: > As a VERY small dealer, I haven't been very happy with the quality of WD > drives in the last few years. I've seen too many come back dead, and > many more come back very noisy. These are mostly 20 and 40 GB BB or EB > drives. I've switched to using Samsung as much as possible. I haven't > hit a bad one yet. Of course, its only been a year since I started > using them, and the next two years may teach me otherwise. Out of the 8 Samsung drives I've purchased in the last 2 years, 4 have gone dead (two are waiting for the UPS guy to pick them up and get them in for RMA.) I've had slightly better luck with Western Digital drives, about the same luck with Hitachi drives, and good luck with Seagate drives, although I don't have enough of them to be a real good measure. Basically, I just buy the drives with the best warranties now (both Samsung and Seagate are 5 year, IIRC.) This is why I just run RAID5 on boxes where I don't want my data to go away, and do backups.. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --===============1003020525== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users --===============1003020525==-- From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:16 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:16 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:16 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx122.postini.com ([64.18.0.36] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFVA-0004uk-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:16 -0800 Received: from source ([204.153.247.10]) by exprod5mx122.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:28:50 PST Received: from host10.octanews.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mapnp.mnforum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878F86C8C9; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:28:49 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by mapnp.mnforum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638336C81D for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:28:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id c.19e.2c7541c6 (3980) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:28:43 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:28:43 EST Subject: [Mpls] Supply, Demand, and the NRP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Minneapolis Issues Forum <mpls.mnforum.org> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mapnp.Geeks.ORG/pipermail/mpls> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:84.19518/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:92.8780 C:99.7951 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 Michael Atherton writes: "By implication, I suppose that Mr. Kahn is also opposed to subsidizing the salaries of Minneapolis Public School employees. Something that the NRP has been doing at Pratt Elementary School, for what I believe is, more than two years. I would suggest that the city can be run more efficiently by removing the third wheel. It's only by a hair's breath that the NRP didn't waste an ill-advised million dollar investment though the closure of Pratt by the school district." Bill Kahn responds: I can't say I follow Mr. Atherton's logic; he can, of course, assume anything he wishes, but the point of the post is that honoring the social contract will raise the quality of life in Minneapolis and reduce the demand for reactive government services like law enforcement. As far as Pratt School goes, most of the million dollar investment to which Atherton refers are facilities upgrades to the Pratt Community Education Center building (interested folks may consult the NRP for specific expenditures); not many folks believe that funding was wasted--it is a much improved building and invaluable to the neighborhood and citizens who use it. One can argue subsidies for employee salaries exist, but I think that argument is largely wrong; the School Board seemed to agree unanimously. I had meant to write a second post about the evolution of "the perfect beast" of government, but I guess it will have to wait until tomorrow; I certainly don't want to violate the list rules twice in one day. Bill Kahn Prospect Park P.S. My apologies to Governor Pawlenty and all those who were offended by my reference to him today; however, I stand by everything else in it. REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? 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How about (d) poster AND list? That is, insert/override a reply-to: header containing both the list name, and the original reply-to (if present, else From: address). For extra credit, omit the original poster if they are a list member. This would be very useful for a number of lists I maintain, where 90% of the traffic is among the list members (hence having a simple reply go to the list), yet a few messages come in from the outside world (hence including the original poster's address). I'm using mailman 2.1.4 on GNU/Linux. Thanks, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: URA Hiroshi (ura) Date: 2004-12-14 16:28 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1007264 Hi shub. pleases read RFC2822 again. By RFC2822 3.6.2, it is defined as the "Relay-To:" header having one or more mail addresses. from RFC2822 3.4 & 3.6.2 | address-list = (address *("," address)) / obs-addr-list | reply-to = "Reply-To:" address-list CRLF However, it cannot have multiple "Reply-To:" headers as you say. from RFC2822 3.5. | Field Min number Max number Notes | reply-to 0 1 Thus, So, I believe that my patch is right. Am I misunderstanding? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: karl berry (kberry) Date: 2004-11-25 18:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=33248 Whatever. There's obviously no point in debating it, since you think it is so terribly horrible and I don't see the problem with helping users, regardless of what "standards" would like to impose on us. So I'll try to mark this closed, and we can get on with our lives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Brad Knowles (shub) Date: 2004-11-25 18:32 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=18417 The problem is that this idea is likely to cause a number of programs to break, probably pretty badly. I think this is a very bad idea. We don't want to be doing things to encourage people to break the standards, especially since most people who would use this option would not understand the true scope of the problem. Using two "Reply-to:" headers doesn't resolve this issue, either. If you want to munge the "Reply-to:" header to point back to the list, then Mailman gives you the ability to do that. It's a bad idea, for the reasons laid out in the FAQ, but you do have that capability. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: karl berry (kberry) Date: 2004-11-25 18:20 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=33248 I'm trying to help my users avoid a fairly common mistake, not engage in arguments about standards. Fine, Reply-to: list, poster may not work for the population of some lists. So those lists won't enable it. Meanwhile, it will help some people and lists, and there's no other way to accomplish the behavior (that I know of). It's trivial to add and a tiny change in the user interface. I am not asking for per-user control of this, which is what the FAQ entry you cited mostly discusses. Obviously some compromise has already been made with the "reply-to considered harmful" stance. (For which I am very thankful, because it is very useful.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Brad Knowles (shub) Date: 2004-11-25 15:26 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=18417 I don't think this is possible. "Reply-to:" goes back to one address, not two. The action of having multiple "Reply-to:" headers is also undefined, and some clients may work the way you want, while others may work in ways you do not. Pretty much everything to do with "Reply-to:" is really a client problem, and needs to be solved there. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/ faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.048.htp> for details. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: URA Hiroshi (ura) Date: 2004-05-10 10:44 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1007264 I uploaded the patch by different method. see following URL: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=951167&group_id=103&atid=300103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=923122&group_id=103 _______________________________________________ Mailman-coders mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-coders From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:07 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:07 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:07 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.0.37] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFV1-0004uQ-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:07 -0800 Received: from source ([209.237.227.199]) by exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:28:45 CST Received: (qmail 99231 invoked by uid 500); 14 Dec 2004 16:01:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: "JMeter Developers List" <jmeter-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "JMeter Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 95197 invoked by uid 99); 14 Dec 2004 15:59:33 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of [EMAIL PROTECTED] designates 64.233.184.200 as permitted sender) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.200) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:59:29 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so556909wri for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:59:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=iloaxedJLPnMdRFWbJvJ3QCX9koH8OULGN31gVYdPYnk0YTB6/7jDnI49odUAjAopfF2FBq1DGLkDwvAurDnm/OTyPerW2ltEAp2UsBkUjgehLFZ6NrfPkr3pvUE3lfo3TJLAnO4I5URUo2LbGKKMemt9CaNmS6rmluUJ7rswbU= Received: by 10.54.40.26 with SMTP id n26mr2909458wrn; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.7.70 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:59:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:59:20 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Mar=EDa_Ti=F1ana?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Mar=EDa_Ti=F1ana?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: JMeter Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HTTP Request Serialization In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Thanks, that useful. But I want to do something more. The original idea is to write some code in our own application, so in production it generates the test plan in some file so later we can reproduced the original charge, orderr and amount of visits. I=B4m thinking in use some clases from JMeter itself, but I=B4m a litte bit lost about this fact. Can you help me? Thanks! Jos=E9 M=AA On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:16:03 -0500, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it supports the common log format. one of these days i'll write a > parser to handle the extended log format. >=20 > peter >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:14:04 +0000, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, use the ProxyServer to record a test plan, or use the Access Log > > sampler to replay the contents of an HTTP server log. I think it > > supports Tomcat format log files - check the documentation. > > > > S. > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:08:42 +0100, Jos=E9 Mar=EDa Ti=F1ana > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I=B4m new in JMeter and I want to use it to test a entire application= . > > > The problem is that configure all the HTTP Request that can be sent t= o > > > the server is impossible due to the amount of them. > > > There are some task that allows to serializate a HttpRequest into a > > > some type of file that JMeter can read lately? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Jos=E9 M=AA > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:18 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:18 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:18 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.0.37] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFVC-0004v1-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:18 -0800 Received: from source ([209.237.227.199]) by exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:28:57 PST Received: (qmail 99839 invoked by uid 500); 14 Dec 2004 16:01:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: <myfaces-user.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: "MyFaces Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 95370 invoked by uid 99); 14 Dec 2004 15:59:41 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from smtp08.web.de (HELO smtp08.web.de) (217.72.192.226) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:59:35 -0800 Received: from [62.143.132.27] (helo=hendrik.wh246.lan) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.103 #184) id 1CeF58-0004fS-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:59:22 +0100 From: Hendrik Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MyFaces Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: JSF and Hibernate Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:59:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DSBL, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY autolearn=no version=2.64 Yes, I do - but only since two days. Till now I didn't recognize any troubles, but I think that Hibernate and JSF "don't touch each other". Therefore I wouldn't lead back troubles to the combination of Hibernate and JSF. Am Dienstag, 14. Dezember 2004 15:16 schrieb mfaine: > Anyone using JSF with Hibernate? Do they work well together? What has been > your experience? > > -Mark From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:05 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:05 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:05 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.0.37] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFUz-0004u4-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:05 -0800 Received: from source ([213.136.52.31]) by exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:28:42 PST Received: (qmail 13393 invoked by uid 109); 14 Dec 2004 16:28:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm List-ID: <maxdb.mysql.com> Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: http://lists.mysql.com/maxdb/24016 Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 13374 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 16:28:40 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (lists.mysql.com: local policy) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (mipz.de) From: "Florian Schmitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug x_server was started sucessfully Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:28:18 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Migrations now running, but the DB isn't startable. ->> found domain user in user profile container STDOUT: current database state is OFFLINE STDOUT: checking parameters... STDOUT: switch database state to ADMIN STDOUT: migrating database... STDOUT: switch database state to OFFLINE STDOUT: current database state is OFFLINE STDOUT: checking parameters... STDOUT: switch database state to ADMIN cannot switch database mode, error during dbm command: db_admin ERR -24994,ERR_RTE: runtime environment error 1,Check knldiag! Kernel died before reaching ADMIN state looking for error messages in knldiag ... 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 54008 MEMORY RTEMem_Allocator : could not allocate me 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 54008 MEMORY mory 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 54008 MEMORY required : 32784 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 54008 MEMORY allocated : 3145728 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 54008 MEMORY supplement: 1048576 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 54008 MEMORY limit : 4294967295 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 54000 MEMORY free blocks size 80 : 1 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 54000 MEMORY free blocks size 18936 : 1 2004-12-14 16:56:33 31092 ERR 52740 SERVER NO MORE MEMORY; 77824 <<-- Trying to start the Instance manually : ->> 2004-12-14 17:06:51 --- Starting GMT 2004-12-14 16:06:51 7.5.0 Build 019-121-082-363 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3414 ERR 54008 MEMORY TransContext T118 : could not allocate m 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3413 ERR 54008 MEMORY TransContext T109 : could not allocate m 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3414 ERR 54008 MEMORY emory 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3413 ERR 54008 MEMORY emory 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3414 ERR 54008 MEMORY required : 120 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3413 ERR 54008 MEMORY required : 120 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3414 ERR 54008 MEMORY allocated : 0 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3413 ERR 54008 MEMORY allocated : 0 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3414 ERR 54008 MEMORY supplement: 217088 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3413 ERR 54008 MEMORY supplement: 217088 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3414 ERR 54008 MEMORY limit : 4294967295 2004-12-14 17:06:56 3413 ERR 54008 MEMORY limit : 4294967295 2004-12-14 17:06:56 0 ERR 11330 COREHAND ABORTING due to signal 11 <<- > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Schmoger, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Dezember 2004 12:58 > An: Florian Schmitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug x_server was > started sucessfully > > > please check the crypted password in /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd. > > if its length is greater or equal than 13 and there are only > valid characters (0-9,A-Z,a-z,.,/) > the password is valid and the account isn't locked. > > usermod -L prepends a '!' to the crypted password which > should work for our check. > > regards, > daniel > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Florian Schmitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 18:11 > An: Schmoger, Daniel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > x_server was started sucessfully > > > Now for something completly different :*) : > > account "sapdb" is not locked, this is a security leak > lock account and restart installation > > User sapdb is system-locked though (usermod -L sapdb) > > Regards, > > Flo > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Schmoger, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 12:54 > > An: Florian Schmitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug x_server was > > started sucessfully > > > > > > script needs the hostname as parameter: > > ./SDBUPD --script ping_t.dat <hostname> > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Florian Schmitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 12:51 > > An: Schmoger, Daniel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > > x_server was started sucessfully > > > > > > i already fixed that glitch, > > > > now it states : > > >> > > ./SDBUPD --script ping_t.dat > > testing ping... > > gethostbyname failed > > << > > > > /etc/hosts SEEMS to be okay. > > > > Regards, > > > > Flo > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: Schmoger, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 12:49 > > > An: Florian Schmitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > x_server was > > > started sucessfully > > > > > > > > > Hello Florian, > > > /etc/services should contain this line: > > > sql6 7210/tcp > > > > > > regards, > > > daniel > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: Florian Schmitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 12:07 > > > An: Schmoger, Daniel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > > > x_server was started sucessfully > > > > > > > > > Hello Daniel, > > > >> > > > ./SDBUPD --script ping_t.dat > > > testing ping... > > > getservbyname failed > > > << > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: Schmoger, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 11:46 > > > > An: Florian Schmitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > > x_server was > > > > started sucessfully > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Florian, > > > > you can test sdbupd ping function with: > > > > sdbupd --script ping_t localhost > > > > > > > > test script is attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: Florian Schmitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 09:55 > > > > An: Schmoger, Daniel; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > > > > x_server was started sucessfully > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Daniel, > > > > > > > > thanks for your answer. > > > > here's the output : > > > > > > > > ./dbmcli -n localhost db_enum > > > > OK > > > > DBA1REST /usr/sapdb/depend 7.3.0.29 fast > > > > running > > > > DBA1REST /usr/sapdb/depend 7.3.0.29 slow > > > > offline > > > > DBA1REST /usr/sapdb/depend 7.3.0.29 quick > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > ./dbmcli db_enum > > > > OK > > > > DBA1REST /usr/sapdb/depend 7.3.0.29 fast > > > > running > > > > DBA1REST /usr/sapdb/depend 7.3.0.29 slow > > > > offline > > > > DBA1REST /usr/sapdb/depend 7.3.0.29 quick > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > A Firewall isn't running at all. > > > > I'm triing to check the hosts- and networksettings. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Flo > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > Von: Schmoger, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 09:36 > > > > > An: Florian Schmitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Betreff: AW: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug > > > x_server was > > > > > started sucessfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Florian, > > > > > sdbupd tries to get a ping reply of x_server three times. > > > > > if this fails sdbupd assumes that the x_server isn't running. > > > > > it's possible that the tcp port 7210 is blocked by a firewall? > > > > > please try to run "dbmcli -n localhost db_enum" to check the > > > > > network communication. > > > > > without switch -n or with the argument <hostname> the dbmcli > > > > > uses local communication > > > > > with shared memory. > > > > > > > > > > hth, > > > > > daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > Von: Florian Schmitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Dezember 2004 12:10 > > > > > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Betreff: SDBUPD Error. cannot stat x_server althoug x_server > > > > > was started sucessfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, > > > > > > > > > > we tried to migrate oure productive database today. > > > > > > > > > > The usual call : ./SDBUPD -d DBA1REST -u DBM,DBM -o > > > sapdb -g sapdb > > > > > > > > > > The following Error in the log : > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > STDOUT: beginning to check sap db instances > > > > > STDOUT: start new instance update > > > > > x_server is not running > > > > > SYS: /usr/sapdb/indep_prog/bin/x_server start: 12798 > > > > > NISERVER server > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > SYS: /usr/sapdb/indep_prog/bin/x_server start: 10007 > > > > > XSERVER started, > > > > > 'X32|LINUX 7.3.0 Build 029-000-087-696' > > > > > > > > > > x_server is not running > > > > > STDERR: cannot start x_server > > > > > STDERR: > > > > > STDERR: MaxDB instance update exited abnormally at Sa, Dec > > > > 11, 2004 at > > > > > 11:54:17 > > > > > << > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The X-Server IS startable. Everything works fine, i guess > > > > > SDBUPD doesn't get > > > > > some Systeminfo that the x-server is running. > > > > > > > > > > Idea anybody? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks alot. > > > > > > > > > > Flo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > MaxDB Discussion Mailing List > > > > > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/maxdb > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > MaxDB Discussion Mailing List > > > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/maxdb > > > To unsubscribe: > > http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > > MaxDB Discussion Mailing List > > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/maxdb > > To unsubscribe: > http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > MaxDB Discussion Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/maxdb > To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MaxDB Discussion Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/maxdb To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] From jeff Tue Dec 14 16:26:19 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 08:26:19 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:19 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx124.postini.com ([64.18.0.38] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFVD-0004vA-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:19 -0800 Received: from source ([63.251.223.186]) by exprod5mx124.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:28:58 EST Received: (qmail 26581 invoked by uid 514); 14 Dec 2004 16:28:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 26570 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 16:28:57 -0000 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Check-By: la.mx.develooper.com Received-SPF: pass (x1.develooper.com: domain of [EMAIL PROTECTED] designates 63.251.223.186 as permitted sender) X-Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm X-Mailing-List-Name: perl-qa Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received-SPF: neutral (x1.develooper.com: local policy) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:28:19 +0100 From: "H.Merijn Brand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [en] X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Old-Spam-Check-By: la.mx.develooper.com X-Old-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 On Tue 14 Dec 2004 17:10, Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:14:32 +0100, H.Merijn Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Tue 14 Dec 2004 16:04, "Clayton, Nik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I've normally got enough going on in my head when writing code, > > > worrying about the house style should not be one of them. > > > > Wrong. It should be. You write, and someone else - or yourself - has > > to maintain the code later. This means that you have to write with > > style and maintainability in focus. All the time. > > Part of the problem is that "coding style" mixes a bunch of unrelated > issues of varying importance. I'm with Nik that I don't care overmuch > about how many spaces go around parens, whether curlys are cuddled or > uncuddled, or tab expansion idiosyncracies. > > But there *are* issues of coding style that are of tremendous import, > and can add or reduce friction on a project, especially as it grows. > Things like line length, method length, naming conventions, file layout, > idiomatic usage[*], etc. > > One example I've used in the past is from a project I worked on (in C) > where we were dealing with "real estate data numbers", commonly > abbreviated 'rednum'. Except that they were also named, 'red', 'redno', > 'rnum', 'red_num', 'red_no', 'r_num', and so on. In both variables and Ohhh, the horror. And so recognizable! > functions. This was one of many sources of dissonance (and compiler > errors) on the project, and was a continual drag on team productivity. > Instead of just *knowing* what you needed, you often needed to grovel > through half a dozen source files to figure out what you *should* have > typed. This was underlighted in my example, but indeed evenly important. We've chosen to make default prefixes to veriables to reflect the (database) type: d_end All dates start with d_ (we use plain numeric 8 YYYYMMDD because none of the databases we work with have compatible date formats (fwiw we also have d_end_y, d_end_m, and d_end_d, which I now presume does not need any further explanation :)) c_city (key) code of a field that has a reference table s_city The string value for c_city and so on. > But we all used the same brace placement and indenting styles. ;-) About spaces, another thing springs to mind, for which I would gladly kill the responsible people to allow it (I bet M$ was the first to push it): Spaces in database table and field names. DON'T! NEVER! Once you start it, you will never be able to escape the quicksands of (incompatible) quotation and unportability of your scripts, be that in sql, sh, perl/dbi, hli, or e/sql If you want to have portability in mind, adhere to the lowest level of available standards and don't be tempted to use archaic functions specific to a unique version of a database on a unique version of an operating system wich only runs on a specific architecture. > > FWIW the style I use was decided upon back in the 80's when we (me and > > 6 others) had to do a huge software project at school and we did > > discuss style before we started. The biggest argue was about the > > length of the variable names to use. > > This is where I think Uncle Bob is right -- the standards need to > evolve. On this same project, there was a coding standard in place at > the onset, but it standardized trivialities. Because we had a coding > standard, we never saw the bigger issues of naming conventions as > problems a coding standard could/should fix, so everyone improvised in > their own special way with the stuff that wasn't standardized. At the > onset, though, a lot of issues we had to deal with were completely > unknown, since the project took three or four major course changes over > the years. If all of this is true, I think we made marvellous decisions in our school days, because none of my coding standards have changed, but the decrease of an indent of 6 (very nice when programming PASCAL) to an indent of 4 (better suited for almost any other language, and since TAB is 8, much more efficient). > Z. > > *: For example: design with closures and coderefs in mind, or with big > modules with 17 optional features or 15 variations on the same > method; are you intetionally using or avoiding map and grep?; what > are the standard modules your project uses to write new classes? -- H.Merijn Brand Amsterdam Perl Mongers (http://amsterdam.pm.org/) using perl-5.6.1, 5.8.5, & 5.9.x, and 809 on HP-UX 10.20 & 11.00, 11i, AIX 4.3, AIX 5.2, SuSE 9.1, and Win2k. http://www.cmve.net/~merijn/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] send smoke reports to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], QA: http://qa.perl.org
