I hate digging through archives after people deny saying what they
said. I though of snipping in the interest of legibiliy but I am sure
there will be an argument about context so , hey, here'd the context
too.

Dana


On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sam, I'll skip the other stuff, but I can't
> > resist this:
> > 
> > 1.)  If Gen DeLong knows "for a fact" then where are
> > they?  
> It's no surprise that weapons buried in Iraq have yet
> to be uncovered. "Seven-eighths of the country is arid
> desert and it's the size of California. You could
> probably bury 100 Empire State Buildings in Iraq and
> not find them," the former Marine said.
> 
> > If we can invade Iraq why not Syria if he knows "for
> > a fact".
> It was more than WMDs and the Saddam problem went on
> for years. Syria is on the Axis of Evil list and we
> know they support terrorism, but we're going through
> the process of diplomacy. If democracy in Iraq works
> out maybe Syria will do what Lybia did and turn over
> there WMDs.
> 
> > 2.) Since we've never recovered WMD, wasn't the war
> > a mistake?  We
> > said there were WMD, we went to war because of it,
> > but we've never
> > found any.
> No. Here's what Bush said recently in an interview
> with Limbaugh: 
> 
> Now, Iraq. You see, one of the lessons of September
> the 11th is that we gotta deal with threats before
> they fully materialize, and we saw a threat in Iraq. I
> say "we." The Congress saw a threat, I saw a threat
> and the United Nations Security Council saw a threat.
> In other words, the world took a look and said,
> "Saddam is a threat," and here's why they thought he
> was a threat. One, he used weapons of mass
> destruction, and one of the most dangerous parts of
> this new war is that if the enemy were ever to acquire
> the capacity to use a weapon of mass destruction it
> would make September 11th, you know, pale in
> comparison, and so we saw that threat. 
> 
> Secondly, he had ties to terrorists. Abu Nidal was
> housed in Iraq, his organization. He was the guy that
> killed Leon Klinghoffer. He was a known terrorist.
> Zarqawi -- who's now, you know, the person beheading
> people in Iraq today -- was in and out of Baghdad and
> Iraq, as were members of his organization. So he had
> terrorist ties. As a matter of fact, not only did he
> have terrorist ties, he used to subsidize families of
> these suicide bombers, which is a terrorist act. 
> 
> Thirdly, he invaded his neighbors. Fourthly, he was an
> enemy of this country, and we had been to war with him
> once. He had invaded others in the neighborhood. He
> was a source of great instability. So I saw a threat,
> and given the lessons of September the 11th, we
> decided to remove him from power, having tried
> diplomacy. See, I think it's very important for your
> listeners to know, Rush, that the commander-in-chief
> ought to try all avenues of diplomacy prior to
> committing troops and we did that. And so I'm sitting
> in the Oval Office, and I've seen a threat. I now see
> that he's ignoring the demands of the free world, he
> had no intention of disarming, as a matter of fact was
> systematically deceiving inspectors, and so I made the
> decision, a very difficult decision. 
> 
> The way forward, which was to remove him from power --
> and, by the way, we weren't "alone" going in. As a
> matter of fact, I talked to Tony Blair this morning,
> which I do on a regular basis, and Tony Blair saw the
> same threat. And so now the way ahead is this. We will
> work with Prime Minister Allawi to enable a political
> process to develop. In other words, we'll provide as
> much security as we can to help a political process
> forward which means elections in January, but more
> importantly we will train Iraqis so that they are
> capable of providing their own security, and that's an
> important ingredient about enabling me to say that
> troops will be there as long as necessary, but not a
> day longer -- and by that I mean when the Iraqis are
> capable of defending themselves and as the political
> process emerges, we will then be in a position to say
> the mission has been completed, which is a democratic
> Iraq, an ally in the war on terror and a source of
> stability in a part of the world that needs stability
> and freedom. 
> 
> - President Bush
> 
> 
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