That Florida law, not the MEDICAL definition. Larry gave a medical definition. Living in Louisiana, I don't trust my legislators to be able to recognize a medical condition let alone place one in law.
Russel Madere Webmaster 504.832.9835 SunShine Pages by EATEL www.sunshinepages.com -----Original Message----- From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:36 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Supreme Court refuses to hear Shiavo case http://www.terrisfight.org/myths.html MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state) FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101: Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is: (a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind. (b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment. Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:56:27 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The video clips are very well edited. What they do not show is the > full story. That British Medical Journal article that I cited earlier > had a good diagnosis of the condition > > "Patients in a vegetative state seem to be awake with their eyes open > but show no evidence of awareness. They do not interact with others > and make no purposeful or voluntary responses to visual, auditory, > tactile, or noxious stimuli. They are able to breathe spontaneously, > and they retain their gag, cough, sucking, and swallowing reflexes. > Sleep-wake cycles are preserved, and so are the hypothalamic and brain > stem autonomic responses. They are incontinent of urine and faeces, > but they may retain their cranial nerve, spinal, and primitive > reflexes. Inconsistent non-purposive movements occur, notably facial > grimacing and chewing; they make sounds; and they may show > inconsistent auditory and oculomotor orienting reflexes to peripheral > sounds or movement. The diagnosis of a vegetative state is not tenable > if there is any degree of voluntary movement, sustained visual > pursuit, consistent and reproducible visual fixation, or response to > threatening gestures." > > The medical documents that the courts have released suggest that this > diagnosis fits the Shaivo case very well. Her EEG show no higher > functioning, just low level autonomic nervous system responses. You > get the same when you put the electrodes in a bowel of jello and place > it on the top of the machine. > > larry > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:46:44 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my god I am agreeing with Sam. But yes, I have seen the site and > > that's why I say she doesn't look dead to me. I realize that they will > > have chosen the clips that support their point but if there are ANY, > > if this woman is aware at all, what are the ethics of pulling the > > plug? I was not, however, aware that here was any money left, but > > there is your motive if that's true. > > > > Larry I need to leave but I will take a look at that link a bit later. > > > > Dana > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:33:37 -0800, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tell him that's not true. > > > > > > Since Feb '93 they've been trying to remove him as guardian. Terri was > > > awarded $1.4 million from a malpractice lawsuit that goes to her > > > medical care. If she dies her husband inherits what's left, about $1 > > > million. > > > > > > Ironically, Michael Schiavo never mentioned her so called wishes until > > > after the monetary award. Since then he's been trying to kill her. > > > > > > Also, he's been living with his fiance for ten years and has two kids with her. > > > > > > Main concern is they want to kill her by starvation. She's not on life support. > > > > > > Lot's of stuff. > > > http://www.terrisfight.org/ > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:34:38 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > about a month or two ago? Christmastime? I suppose I could have > > > > misunderstood, but I don't think so.... > > > > > > > > If they are not willing to pay for her care, the issue in my mind is > > > > somewhat different. To be blunt, if we are talking public health > > > > dollars, then the issue of triage perhaps should apply, especially if > > > > the matter is as hopeless as Larry says it is. > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:144626 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
