I believe J.R.R Tolkien invented at least one complete language for his works, elvish. As a linguist it was apparently was the inspiration for his major works as a place to use this language that he and his follow language academics where playing around with.
-------------- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ....-----Original Message----- ....From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ....Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:26 PM ....To: CF-Community ....Subject: Re: Klingon language enthusiasts disturb me... was Re: Goodbye ....Redux .... ....For a linguist, it's quite fascinating. It and Esperanto are the only ....two wholly invented languages. As for why Hamlet. Yeah. I remember ....hearing a reason back when. It may have been someting along the lines ....of "because it is there" ;) By the way, your reaction is a common one. .... ....Dana .... .... ....On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:25:06 -0500, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ....wrote: ....> > http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/ ....> ....> > It looks like it's calmed down considerably. Lately it's ....> > been running ....> > 300-400 a month. In 1999-2000 it was more like 800-900. ....> > Most of them ....> > in Klingon of course. ....> ....> > Dana ....> ....> Great example why I'm disturbed by these people: ....> ....> http://www.kli.org/stuff/Hamlet.html ....> ....> Particularly the first sentence in the 2nd paragraph on this page: ....> ....> "The original edition of the book went through years of translation ....> and several revisions, ..." ....> ....> Not to say that years of work on a project is necessarily a bad thing ....> -- I'm sure most sci-fi/fantasy novels are a labor of love requiring ....> great amounts of time to write. What I find disturbing is that they ....> have the outward appearance of believing that there is some _noble_ ....> purpose behind years of work spent furthering a language invented for ....> the purpose of satisfying some fan-boy's obsession with an imaginary ....> race of aliens. As though what's really missing from the lives of all ....> the starving children in the world is that they haven't had an ....> opportunity to be exposed to Shakespeare in Klingon. ....> ....> I find this ironic: ....> ....> "Hamlet represents the largest piece of text in Klingon to date and we ....> wanted to be as grammatically accurate as possible" ....> ....> when translating a work which was originally written in a culture in ....> which afaik grammar and spelling were only just beginning to be ....> considered important. Willed - will'd - wil't - sword - swerde ... not ....> even to mention the continual evolution of language as a result of the ....> unstoppable torrent of coloquial terms... How many historians or ....> literary schollars will stumble over strings of characters like iirc ....> and afaik in dusty archived mailing list threads like this one? ....> ....> Ahh well ... I'm getting off on a tangent... ....> ....> And I really shouldn't knock their work, it's just really difficult ....> for me to take any of them seriously. I certainly can't take them as ....> seriously as they seem to take themselves which I guess is ultimately ....> why I find it disturbing -- I think they take themselves and this ....> thing they're working on too seriously. Same has been said of me in ....> the past, so I guess none of us are any better than another. ....> ....> s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 ....> new epoch : isn't it time for a change? ....> ....> add features without fixtures with ....> the onTap open source framework ....> ....> http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ ....> http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 ....> http://www.fusiontap.com ....> ....> .... .... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:149829 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
