yeah, you're both right. As someone who spent as much time with the appendices to Lord of the Rings as with the actual book, I should have known that. I'm guessing someone on the Klingon list said that and I just never put it together with Tolkien.
Dana On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:43:46 -0800, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe J.R.R Tolkien invented at least one complete language for his > works, elvish. As a linguist it was apparently was the inspiration for his > major works as a place to use this language that he and his follow language > academics where playing around with. > > -------------- > Ian Skinner > Web Programmer > BloodSource > www.BloodSource.org > Sacramento, CA > > "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" > - Cynthia Dunning > > ....-----Original Message----- > ....From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ....Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:26 PM > ....To: CF-Community > ....Subject: Re: Klingon language enthusiasts disturb me... was Re: Goodbye > ....Redux > .... > ....For a linguist, it's quite fascinating. It and Esperanto are the only > ....two wholly invented languages. As for why Hamlet. Yeah. I remember > ....hearing a reason back when. It may have been someting along the lines > ....of "because it is there" ;) By the way, your reaction is a common one. > .... > ....Dana > .... > .... > ....On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:25:06 -0500, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ....wrote: > ....> > http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/ > ....> > ....> > It looks like it's calmed down considerably. Lately it's > ....> > been running > ....> > 300-400 a month. In 1999-2000 it was more like 800-900. > ....> > Most of them > ....> > in Klingon of course. > ....> > ....> > Dana > ....> > ....> Great example why I'm disturbed by these people: > ....> > ....> http://www.kli.org/stuff/Hamlet.html > ....> > ....> Particularly the first sentence in the 2nd paragraph on this page: > ....> > ....> "The original edition of the book went through years of translation > ....> and several revisions, ..." > ....> > ....> Not to say that years of work on a project is necessarily a bad thing > ....> -- I'm sure most sci-fi/fantasy novels are a labor of love requiring > ....> great amounts of time to write. What I find disturbing is that they > ....> have the outward appearance of believing that there is some _noble_ > ....> purpose behind years of work spent furthering a language invented for > ....> the purpose of satisfying some fan-boy's obsession with an imaginary > ....> race of aliens. As though what's really missing from the lives of all > ....> the starving children in the world is that they haven't had an > ....> opportunity to be exposed to Shakespeare in Klingon. > ....> > ....> I find this ironic: > ....> > ....> "Hamlet represents the largest piece of text in Klingon to date and we > ....> wanted to be as grammatically accurate as possible" > ....> > ....> when translating a work which was originally written in a culture in > ....> which afaik grammar and spelling were only just beginning to be > ....> considered important. Willed - will'd - wil't - sword - swerde ... not > ....> even to mention the continual evolution of language as a result of the > ....> unstoppable torrent of coloquial terms... How many historians or > ....> literary schollars will stumble over strings of characters like iirc > ....> and afaik in dusty archived mailing list threads like this one? > ....> > ....> Ahh well ... I'm getting off on a tangent... > ....> > ....> And I really shouldn't knock their work, it's just really difficult > ....> for me to take any of them seriously. I certainly can't take them as > ....> seriously as they seem to take themselves which I guess is ultimately > ....> why I find it disturbing -- I think they take themselves and this > ....> thing they're working on too seriously. Same has been said of me in > ....> the past, so I guess none of us are any better than another. > ....> > ....> s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 > ....> new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > ....> > ....> add features without fixtures with > ....> the onTap open source framework > ....> > ....> http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ > ....> http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 > ....> http://www.fusiontap.com > ....> > ....> > .... > .... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:149886 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
