No shes a minor they will take her to the police station and wait until her parents pick her up. And give her parents a summons to appear in court. It's probably somewhere along the lines as when megan got "arrested" for fighting when someone attacked her.
But this is the one and only point. And you have to think of this from the pov of someone who would have the balls to say "They set my baby up". Her mom as a mom can't discipline her child and with repeated problems from the kid it disrupts the school. And since its not the first time the cops were called then perhaps the cops finally said you know what mom's not going to do anything lets see if this sends a message. After being picked up by the cops if this kid still can't control itself then DCF needs to get involved and take this kid away from an obviously unfit mother. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:24:51 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The cops, Bill? The cops? What are they going to do, lock her up with > the local child molesters? If the child is that big a handful there is > something wrong and she needs treatment. If the mother won't get it > it's time to call child welfare. But the cops? Let's get a grip. > > Dana > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:23:44 -0500, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know if they didn't already try that. If the mothers not going > > to do her job and discipline her child and teach her that behaviour is > > not acceptable then i could see why they would call the cops. > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:46:48 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have to admit that the quote is highly suggestive :) nonetheless I'd > > > withdraw my child too under the circumstances. > > > > > > Even if the child is a problem and/or troubled, there are more > > > approriate solutions than the police. She is five for chrissakes. How > > > about a referral to counseling, family counseling if appropriate, > > > suspension, or a call to CYFD if the mother in fact seems to be the > > > problem? > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:05:40 -0500, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Dana read this > > > > > > > > http://www.local10.com/education/4298451/detail.html > > > > > > > > No charges were filed and the girl went home with her mother, who said > > > > her daughter will not return. In her words, "They set my baby up." > > > > > > > > Does that quote from the mother let you figure out why this kid > > > > couldn't control herself? A disruptive child should not be in school. > > > > I don't care how old the kid is. If the kid is old enough to know not > > > > to act like a jackass then its old enough to be taught a lesson. I > > > > bet a ride in a police cruiser will help especially since this lady > > > > sounds like a world class mother. She sounds like an unfit mother and > > > > a mother who can not control her child. At 5 sure i got rambunchus but > > > > never in school. I think we're in a time where parents don't know how > > > > to control their kids and need to start watching supernanny (which is > > > > on tonight 10pm on ABC btw..go go nanny jo). > > > > > > > > I will tell you something though if i had done that as a child my > > > > mother would have made me regret it and it would never have happened > > > > again. And my child will NEVER do that more then onces because they > > > > will learn they are in trouble. > > > > > > > > As a parent i have always gone about it the same way as my parents. If > > > > an adult came to my parents and said i did something wrong it was > > > > believe the adult first. That is the way it is for me as well. I will > > > > always (in most cases) take the word of an adult over my children. > > > > That is how the world used to be. Parents were responsible and they > > > > did not allow that to happen. Today parents want to be friends with > > > > their kids. I don't care if my kids hate my guts and for awhile they > > > > did but they realize i did what i did because i loved them and cared > > > > about them. > > > > > > > > Myself as a child i never lied much to my parents and never about > > > > something big because they would always find out. And my punishment > > > > would be alot worse that way for lieing. One day i walked into a > > > > friends house using his key when he wasnt home. I just wanted to play > > > > his nintendo but his dad came home and i left. He told me you better > > > > tell your mother before i do lol. I DID i came right home and mom knew > > > > right away something was wrong. I told her it was hard and i was > > > > scared but i told her. She was pissed but she would have been alot > > > > more pissed if it came from my friends father instead of me. > > > > > > > > So back to the little 5 year old heavyweight. The kid has a history of > > > > being a violent kid and after you tell the kids parents time and time > > > > again about what the kid did and the parent just makes excuses and > > > > doesn't fix the problem then its time to get the police involved. > > > > Maybe the police will have better luck. Maybe the kid will think ok if > > > > i act like a shit my mom won't stop me but i'll have to get pulled > > > > away by the police again. > > > > > > > > Remember dana (and i dont mean this to be insulting) everyone can't be > > > > as good a mother as you. Some moms suck. Maybe you have too much faith > > > > in the fact that being a parent makes people able to handle their kids > > > > or at least take responsiblity for them. I think many parents suck and > > > > things like this happen. I mean sure i might have thought it was a > > > > little heavy handed but to hear the lady say "THEY SET MY BABY UP" > > > > thats just horseshit. That is probably the stupidest thing i had heard > > > > all day that day when i read this. > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:31:27 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I've used the wrap hold myself. Lara used to regularly throw fits but > > > > > always over some preceived unfairness such as bedtime. > > > > > > > > > > I don't really have enough information either. However, if the police > > > > > had previously been called for this child I don't find it particularly > > > > > astounding that she might become hysterical on being threatened with > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that you might well have to restrain the child and that the > > > > > mother might not want to recognize a definite behavior problem. That > > > > > kind of thinking definitely exists and I have seen plenty of it. > > > > > > > > > > But here is the crux of the matter for me. We have on the one side a > > > > > five-year-old child. We have on the other an entire school of adults > > > > > supposedly trained in dealing with children. And the best thing the > > > > > adults came up with, between them all, was to bring in men with guns > > > > > and handcuffs. > > > > > > > > > > Bra fucking vo. > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:30:20 -0500, Jim Davis > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:34 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh come on though this child is 5. And she refused to play a game > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > jelly beans. You best believe I'd be upset too if my child were > > > > > > > put in > > > > > > > handcuffs over something like that. Throwing stuff in a trash can > > > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > we are talking behavior problems sure! What happened to timeout > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the principal's office! The lunatics are running the asylum. > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't read why she was in trouble in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I do think you're being a bit disingenuous - she not only > > > > > > "threw stuff > > > > > > trash can". She hit, repeatedly, several people, threw things and > > > > > > had > > > > > > (reportedly) nearly an hour to calm down. This was also not the > > > > > > first time > > > > > > that the police were required to calm the child. > > > > > > > > > > > > The child WAS in a timeout in the assistant principles office - > > > > > > then she > > > > > > began hitting and kicking the assistant principle after throwing > > > > > > things from > > > > > > her desk. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although she was five I also remember that she was over 4' tall - > > > > > > that's a > > > > > > sizable five-year old. She could very well do some damage (ask a > > > > > > five year > > > > > > old to punch or kick your hand as hard as they can sometime - kids > > > > > > can be > > > > > > amazingly strong). > > > > > > > > > > > > Impulse control and violent rage are only slightly less dangerous in > > > > > > children than they are in adults. If the police officers felt they > > > > > > could be > > > > > > injured (a very real possibility even with so young a child) or > > > > > > that the > > > > > > child could injure herself then I feel they were well within their > > > > > > rights to > > > > > > restrain her. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also let's be clear: restraining a child is not an easy thing - > > > > > > even one > > > > > > that young. Professionals generally use a wrap-technique: from > > > > > > behind hold > > > > > > the child's opposite wrists and wrap their arms across their body. > > > > > > Then sit > > > > > > down (so they can't kick you) and lean back (so it's more difficult > > > > > > to > > > > > > head-butt you). > > > > > > > > > > > > This pretty much impossible to do safely in a car (it was in the > > > > > > car that > > > > > > the child's legs were restrained after she refused to stop > > > > > > kicking). Even > > > > > > in this position the child can still squirm and either break free > > > > > > (which > > > > > > usually leads to a punch) or potentially injure themselves or you. > > > > > > > > > > > > (Also, as an aside: it's always taught to restrain the child until > > > > > > they're > > > > > > calm for more than 60 seconds. Many parents go into a fit when a > > > > > > caregiver > > > > > > refuses to release their child upon demand - but a good caregiver > > > > > > will wait > > > > > > and ensure that the child is calm enough to release.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Without more facts I won't say anybody is at fault, but I can > > > > > > definitely see > > > > > > how the situation could have escalated to the point it did with > > > > > > nobody BEING > > > > > > at fault. I've been in similar situations. > > > > > > > > > > > > In both cases that I was injured by children (one girl punch me in > > > > > > the face > > > > > > and one 10 year-old slashed my arm with a bread knife) the kids > > > > > > were still > > > > > > enrolled in public school - on the cusp to be sure, but still in > > > > > > school. > > > > > > Many schools are actually much better than people give them credit > > > > > > for and > > > > > > will put up with disruptive kids longer than most private schools > > > > > > would. > > > > > > > > > > > > No parent likes to think that their child can be dangerous and I've > > > > > > yet to > > > > > > see a parent pleased when they hear that their child has been > > > > > > restrained. > > > > > > However sometimes its required to keep the child from hurting > > > > > > themselves or > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Davis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:151504 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
