Doctype is your friend. That way you can prevent IE from going into
quirks mode. I've also found a couple of good layout generators that
have made things so much easier. I use this one
(http://www.csscreator.com/version2/pagelayout.php) to generate the
barebones page, then I start tweaking. I've got some very good results
with my personal home site (http://www.lyonsmorris.com) and with our
BEI Resources site rebuild (not public yet). It does take some getting
used to, and in some cases its much easier to just build with a table.

larry

On 4/14/05, Jeff Waris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is quite the interesting thread. Last week I started the task of
> "modernizing" our website that was left from my predecessor, I decided to be
> proactive, be modern and go the CSS/xhtml route. I put a good amount of time
> trying to learn CSS for layout control too. After a lot of trying to make
> the layout of IE look like firefox etc... I threw in the towel with CSS for
> layout and moved back to tables. There were so many quirks and workarounds
> that I became very frustrated and now my .CSS page is mostly styling (fonts,
> colors, etc..) instead of layout. Tables just seem to fit better (not the
> best solution by any means...) Now our pages look the same on different
> browsers and he development time was a heck of a lot quicker. I am going to
> pick different things out of each of the technologies that best fit and are
> most compatible than what is new and the future.
> 
> I know this may sound like the holy grail, but one day I wish I could design
> a site using one standard and have it look the same on all the browsers.
> CSS3, probably not, IMHO We may NEVER be able to come to that point with
> browsers. So I think I am always going to use the most compatible and
> predictable instead of designing separately for each browser.
> 
> My 2 cents...
> Jeff
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:26 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: CSS
> >
> >
> > I've wasted about three days doing CSS, and I finally gave up
> > and started doing it in tables - it took me 30 minutes to get
> > it right using tables. CSS is much easier to program around,
> > but when it takes so long to get things just right in all the
> > browsers, why would I want to waste that time? I know it's
> > the future, but this implementation is just not right yet.
> > I'm really surprised that whoever designs this stuff has not
> > yet realized that the business world both wants and needs a
> > positioning language that
> >
> > 1) Allows for absolute positioning like a newspaper
> > 2) Allows for an area to grow
> > 3) Allows for positioning relative to the growing area.
> >
> > Tables do this now, but they have problems with irregular table cells.
> >
> > So I need something better.
> >
> > - Matt Small
> >
> 
> 

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