I don't know if you know this or not. But I think that the proper use of
position relative and position absolute may get what you desire for point three.
The main use of position relative, is to be an anchor for subsequent position
absolute items.
<!-- Some amount of markup before this line -->
<div style="position: relative">
I am a positioned div that will fall in the flow wherever I fall.
<div style="position: absolute; right: 50; top: 50; width: 100px;
height: 100px;">
I am a positioned div that will be 50px to the right and down
from the top of my parent div.
</div>
</div>
HTH, but if it doesn't, sorry to intrupt your rant.
--------------
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
"C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"
- Cynthia Dunning
....-----Original Message-----
....From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
....Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:26 AM
....To: CF-Community
....Subject: RE: CSS
....
....I've wasted about three days doing CSS, and I finally gave up and started
....doing it in tables - it took me 30 minutes to get it right using tables.
....CSS is much easier to program around, but when it takes so long to get
....things just right in all the browsers, why would I want to waste that
....time?
....I know it's the future, but this implementation is just not right yet.
....I'm
....really surprised that whoever designs this stuff has not yet realized
....that
....the business world both wants and needs a positioning language that
....
....1) Allows for absolute positioning like a newspaper
....2) Allows for an area to grow
....3) Allows for positioning relative to the growing area.
....
....Tables do this now, but they have problems with irregular table cells.
....
....So I need something better.
....
....- Matt Small
....
....
....
....-----Original Message-----
....From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
....Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:09 AM
....To: CF-Community
....Subject: Re: CSS
....
....I can sympathize Matt, but it does get better. I've finished a beta of
....a page that is pure CSS and the positioning can work. It drives you
....crazy but it does work. I'll put a page up showing the example
....tonight.
....
....larry
....
....
....
....On 4/14/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
....> <cf_rant>
....>
....> CSS is completely useless for positioning.
....>
....> Whoever designed it has an abstract mind where things like 2 + 2 =
....Green.
....>
....> It's a silly waste of time to actually design a dynamic site using CSS
....> positioning.
....>
....> Table positioning is much easier to understand, and actually works the
....way
....> you expect it to.
....>
....> I've seen a lot of things about CSS, one of the central concepts is
....that
....> it's supposed to "influence" your design rather than make it fixed.
....>
....> That's the biggest problem with CSS - it does not allow you to really
....fix
....> things the way you want them fixed.
....>
....> I mean, how hard is it to set an anchor point - like the HTML <a> tag -
....and
....> then reference that point to be a relative distance from?
....>
....> Relative positioning - what a joke.
....>
....> It lets you move things from where it's SUPPOSED to be, rather than
....from
....> another object?
....>
....> Who's screwed up mind thought this one up?
....>
....> And then it leaves white space where your object was SUPPOSED to be.
....>
....> I've gone back to good ol' tables.
....>
....> At least there's only so many ways to render a table.
....>
....> And firefox and IE look about the same.
....>
....> I've written a haiku about this:
....>
....> CSS on web
....>
....> Crazy fools have made you up
....>
....> Death for programmers
....>
....> </cf_rant>
....>
....> - Matt Small
....>
....>
....
....
....
....
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