I am not talking about the Server Product. I am talking about their politics.
Neo looks very nice. But if MM is going to be an ass then I am not going to worry about. At 09:53 AM 11/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I've got to say, this is pretty off base. Everything I've seen of Neo so >far looks pretty good. Yes, there are certain aspects of application >development that have changed drastically, but these changes all result in >more stable and faster running apps. If you know jsp or have someone at >your company that does... great, you'll be able to import the jsp tag >libraries and do cool stuff.... if you don't know or want to know anything >about jsp Macromedia has not abandoned you.... you will still be able to >function as a very productive CF Developer. Bottom line is that the changes >made to the cfserver in the next rev. were all decided on in order to create >a better product. Personally, I think some of the features in Neo have been >a long time coming, and we developers should embrace them. > >~Simon > >Simon Horwith >Macromedia Certified Instructor >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >Fig Leaf Software >1400 16th St NW, # 500 >Washington DC 20036 >202.797.6570 (direct line) >www.figleaf.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:34 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: House of Fusion Picture Gallery > > >Damn right! I have learned a few languages over the years. I know CF, ASP, >Java perl, python, and I still know some C++ > >If MM want to be ass holes then let them. I have already started moving >away from CF as a primary development language(I like JSP/Java). > >I still like CF. It works great in a lot of situations. But the way MM is >going I am going to need to know other things if I still want to survive in >this world. > > >At 12:24 AM 11/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Come on Michael .. cheer up :) > > > >If they wanna be asses, let them. If they wanna go the cast iron corporate > >route, let them. If they wanna alienate the people that made Allaire (and > >its product line) attractive enough to buy, let them. > > > >We are all intelligent, educated developers .. some with great influence in > >respect to their company's purchasing decisions. The 'CF community' on >this > >list is more than a 'CF community'. We are a community of web developers. > >CF / PHP / JSP / ASP / Perl / whatever .. a particular language doesn't >make > >a community .. the people do. If we all suddenly switched to ASP tomorrow, > >we would still be the same community, though a bit confused ;). If MM >can't > >understand this, then .. well .. I guess they won't care if we move on. > > > >My employer, the fastest growing MS training company in the world, is >rather > >interested in moving to ASP.Net. I've recently been kinda fighting this by > >volunteering 3 hours a night teaching people CF and Fusebox. I'm >personally > >pushing for an investment in CF 6, and myself and the lead graphics >designer > >are eager for a partnership with MM in training and development with Flash, > >Ultradev, etc. Upper management is listening. > > > >I still have a certain loyalty to MM, but if they keep this arrogance > >towards their own 'development community' up, I will withdraw my support > >from them and Neo completely, and throw my full support towards MS' fare. >I > >won't be happy about jumping to an MS web development product, but ... > > > >Anyway, my point is, I don't care what web dev. app. I use, I'll always > >consider myself a part of this community and I hope everyone else will >still > >consider me a part of it too. > > > >No matter what, I'm behind you all the way, Mr. D. :) > > > >As the next President, I am officially appointing Michael D. Secretary of > >Commerce *and* Secretary of Smacking Around Dumb Companies. > > > >Todd > >----- > >Todd for President > >Seriously considering nuking MM, (get out soon RC .. any true Star Wars fan > >doesn't deserve to be nuked!), for a better tomorrow. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:25 PM > >Subject: Re: House of Fusion Picture Gallery > > > > > > > The picture upload is set so that if you don't have an account when you > >add > > > a picture, it adds one for you. I've been wanting to upgrade this > > > desperately but as Judith mentioned, I'm not exactly in a great mood at > > > this time. I'll get back to writing and creating as soon as I can. or >not. > > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/ > > > > > > At 01:31 PM 11/19/01, you wrote: > > > >I just spoke to Michael on the phone. You may have noticed that he's >not > > > >been posting to the list for the last few weeks. Since Devcon, he's >been > >in > > > >a deep depression -- It has to do with Macromedia's trying to sabotage > >the > > > >Community Suite. I have been trying to help, but to be honest, I don't > >know > > > >how to get him out of this funk. > > > > > > > >He said he would respond because I had asked, when he has a second. > > > > > > > >Judith > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
