well, politics tends to put me off whether they're to do with Macromedia, Microsoft, or my own company. I guess it's just something that comes with the territory... especially when there are passionate supporters of the product(s) and group(s) involved. Sorry to have misread your original post, though. Personally, I'd try to take it with a grain of salt. I think everyone who is worked up about all of this, just needs to take a little break from their coding, think about whether or not all this is worth getting upset about, and then carry on (with a smile).
~Simon Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -----Original Message----- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:58 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: House of Fusion Picture Gallery I am not talking about the Server Product. I am talking about their politics. Neo looks very nice. But if MM is going to be an ass then I am not going to worry about. At 09:53 AM 11/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I've got to say, this is pretty off base. Everything I've seen of Neo so >far looks pretty good. Yes, there are certain aspects of application >development that have changed drastically, but these changes all result in >more stable and faster running apps. If you know jsp or have someone at >your company that does... great, you'll be able to import the jsp tag >libraries and do cool stuff.... if you don't know or want to know anything >about jsp Macromedia has not abandoned you.... you will still be able to >function as a very productive CF Developer. Bottom line is that the changes >made to the cfserver in the next rev. were all decided on in order to create >a better product. Personally, I think some of the features in Neo have been >a long time coming, and we developers should embrace them. > >~Simon > >Simon Horwith >Macromedia Certified Instructor >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >Fig Leaf Software >1400 16th St NW, # 500 >Washington DC 20036 >202.797.6570 (direct line) >www.figleaf.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:34 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: House of Fusion Picture Gallery > > >Damn right! I have learned a few languages over the years. I know CF, ASP, >Java perl, python, and I still know some C++ > >If MM want to be ass holes then let them. I have already started moving >away from CF as a primary development language(I like JSP/Java). > >I still like CF. It works great in a lot of situations. But the way MM is >going I am going to need to know other things if I still want to survive in >this world. > > >At 12:24 AM 11/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Come on Michael .. cheer up :) > > > >If they wanna be asses, let them. If they wanna go the cast iron corporate > >route, let them. If they wanna alienate the people that made Allaire (and > >its product line) attractive enough to buy, let them. > > > >We are all intelligent, educated developers .. some with great influence in > >respect to their company's purchasing decisions. The 'CF community' on >this > >list is more than a 'CF community'. We are a community of web developers. > >CF / PHP / JSP / ASP / Perl / whatever .. a particular language doesn't >make > >a community .. the people do. If we all suddenly switched to ASP tomorrow, > >we would still be the same community, though a bit confused ;). If MM >can't > >understand this, then .. well .. I guess they won't care if we move on. > > > >My employer, the fastest growing MS training company in the world, is >rather > >interested in moving to ASP.Net. I've recently been kinda fighting this by > >volunteering 3 hours a night teaching people CF and Fusebox. I'm >personally > >pushing for an investment in CF 6, and myself and the lead graphics >designer > >are eager for a partnership with MM in training and development with Flash, > >Ultradev, etc. Upper management is listening. > > > >I still have a certain loyalty to MM, but if they keep this arrogance > >towards their own 'development community' up, I will withdraw my support > >from them and Neo completely, and throw my full support towards MS' fare. >I > >won't be happy about jumping to an MS web development product, but ... > > > >Anyway, my point is, I don't care what web dev. app. I use, I'll always > >consider myself a part of this community and I hope everyone else will >still > >consider me a part of it too. > > > >No matter what, I'm behind you all the way, Mr. D. :) > > > >As the next President, I am officially appointing Michael D. Secretary of > >Commerce *and* Secretary of Smacking Around Dumb Companies. > > > >Todd > >----- > >Todd for President > >Seriously considering nuking MM, (get out soon RC .. any true Star Wars fan > >doesn't deserve to be nuked!), for a better tomorrow. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:25 PM > >Subject: Re: House of Fusion Picture Gallery > > > > > > > The picture upload is set so that if you don't have an account when you > >add > > > a picture, it adds one for you. I've been wanting to upgrade this > > > desperately but as Judith mentioned, I'm not exactly in a great mood at > > > this time. I'll get back to writing and creating as soon as I can. or >not. > > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/ > > > > > > At 01:31 PM 11/19/01, you wrote: > > > >I just spoke to Michael on the phone. You may have noticed that he's >not > > > >been posting to the list for the last few weeks. Since Devcon, he's >been > >in > > > >a deep depression -- It has to do with Macromedia's trying to sabotage > >the > > > >Community Suite. I have been trying to help, but to be honest, I don't > >know > > > >how to get him out of this funk. > > > > > > > >He said he would respond because I had asked, when he has a second. > > > > > > > >Judith > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
