Who said anything about not getting involved in the first Gulf War.  That was 
legitimate.  Iraq invaded another country.  At that time we would have been 
justified rolling into Baghdad and initiating a regime change.  But not 10 
years later.  Not when he had dismantled his programs.    Not when you have to 
manufacture evidence to justify a war.  Not when there was no evidence of him 
repeating what he had done 10 years earlier.  We had a legitimate opportunity  
and we let him slip through our fingers.  He may have had ability to initiate a 
war but so does France, Germany, Russia, China, North and South Korea etc... It 
takes more than the ability to do something to warrant war.

How many of those 35 years of Sadam's atrocities did we support him?  Give him 
guns? training?  Chemical and biological weapons and or the knowledge required? 
 How many of those years were we happy to watch Iranians and Iraqis kill each 
other? How many of those years were we supporting him while he committed those 
atrocities? 

Where is the evidence of Iraq's involvement in the Khobar Towers? or the USS 
Cole? How many died in those events? Who was responsible?  Where are they 
today? Where were they found?  There are more terrorist attacks throughout the 
world today than before 9/11 and before our invasion. Specifically there are 
more Al Qeada sponsored attacks.   Bali? Spain? Chechnya? Philippines?  There 
is more Al Qeada involvement in Iraq than ever before.  Bin Laden had advocated 
the death of Sadam. 

We would have been far better off focusing on the terrorist rather than on 
Iraq.  Had we focused our efforts on Afghanistan, and chasing terrorists where 
ever the hide we would have been far more effect at achieving the goal of 
stopping terrorism.  But that war had slowed down and we let Bin Laden slip 
away so Bush needed a diversion. Enter Iraq.

If thinking that we are killing & maiming thousands of Americans, Iraqis and 
others while hocking our financial future on a war that was not necessary to 
achieve the goal of eliminating terrorism is sour grapes, then sour grapes it.  
But what if we had brought the fight to the terrorists rather than Sadam?

Oh yes and its nice to see Pakistan on board.  After all, they don't want us in 
their country to look for Bin Laden, all evidence points to bin Laden being 
there and every time we provide the Pakistanis with intelligence on the where 
about of Bin Laden the information is leaked out before they can act on it.   
Kinda like a quarterback, telling the defense what play he going to run. They 
have received millions in concessions from use for their "participation" and 
have provided little to benefit the effort.  


Robert wrote:
>>>And you think that Al Qaeda would never have attacked anywhere in the Middle 
>>>East if we had just not invaded Iraq, is that it? That's just factually 
>>>wrong. Khobar Towers? The U.S.S. Cole? You think these events were flukes? 
>>>Al Qaeda was in the middle of a global onslaught against the U.S. 

Since 9/11, we have not only been kicking the crap out of them around the 
world, we have gotten countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to wake up to 
the real danger Al Qaeda poses to them as well. 

People throw around the word "atrocity" so easliy. The real atrocity was  
Saddam 35 year rule of terror that lead to the deaths of a million or more 
Iraqis and Iranians, and the torture, rape, and maiming of untold numbers of 
people under his regime. Saddam is maybe the third most evil guy in history 
behind Hitler and Stalin as far as I'm concerned. Not just for what he did, but 
what he tried to do. 

Just imagine what the world would be like today if Saddam had a nuke (which he 
would have if not for Gulf War I), if he had stayed in Kuwait and later rolled 
into Saudi Arabia (which was next on his list), and then steamrolled Iran with 
the additional military might he could have built from oil proceeds. He could 
today be sitting on 70% of the planet's oil reserves with his finger on the 
nuclear trigger. 

Your tirade sounds like sour grapes to me. 

>Ken wrote:
> If anything the amount of terrorism in the middle east has increased 
> due to our intervention in Iraq.   Have you seen the news lately?  How 
> many died this week in car bombings in Iraq? Saudi Arabia? How many 
> have been our are being held captive? How many Americans soldiers and 
> civilian contractors have been killed or maimed by terrorists?  
> Because they are in a war zone they don't count?  Bush is an idiot.  
> We are worse off for our invasion of Iraq.  $320 billion and counting, 
> what is the latest count of American forces who've died in Bush's 
> private war? 1,500+ ?   How many maimed? 10,000 + ? and that just the 
> Americans.  Countless innocent Iraqi's. In addition to the countless 
> Iraqi's fighting against the invasion of their country.  Not to 
> mention the Italians, Japanese, British, Polish and others who've been 
> victims of this atrocity.
> 



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