Look,
Who is going to testify against these guys?
American Soldiers, Special Forces? CIA officers?
Umm no the force protection risks would be far to high in personal terms for
people that already sacrifice too much.
What are they going to say?
We rolled into {insert village here} and began taking fire (or had an IED go
off or received indirect fire). We saw three males with AK-47s running from
the scene. We chased them down and caught them with weapons.
Does that sound like something that will float in a trial?
We have something called the UCMJ. The uniform code of military justice.
This is law that pertains only to members of our military. It sets a very
different standard than that by which the average civilian has to live by.
This set of laws was created because congress saw that the laws of war were
very different from the laws of civilian society. Offering these people the
same rights as an American citizen just doesn't make sense. Even if we look
at it as though they were truly prisoners of war, all we would have to do is
let them receive mail, and let in the red cross to check them out once in a
while. We wouldn't have to return them to their host or home nations. Why
so they can take up arms against us again?
What crime should we be charging these people with? Say they fought for the
Taliban, ok, now what? What did they do that was against international or
even Afghani law? Nothing. Did we send German or Japanese troops back home
during World War 2? No we put them into internment camps until the war was
over, and for some even longer so we could find the war criminals, the
people that should actually be charged with something.
As a final note lets take this discussion from a different perspective.
Two of your friends and fellow soldiers are killed in an IED attack. Your
unit is tasked with taking down the house of the man who is known from
multiple sources to have built the bomb.
How would you all react? What about the guys that lit up my convoy leaving
a cache site? Should we all hold hands and sing kumbya while they rock and
roll?
The simple fact that these people are making it to a detention center at all
is a testament to the honor, integrity and self control of the American
soldier and marine.
Everyone wants to complain about how we are treating our detainees, but
realistically I think it speaks very highly of us for two reasons. First
these are people that MOST LIKELY tried to kill Americans (or Brits, or one
of the other nations involved, 76 in Afghanistan right now, including your
own Australians). Second they are living far better than they could ever
provide for themselves. How much time have you spent in third world
countries? They are fed, given health care, and kept safe from harm and the
elements. That's saying a lot. Look into what the Japanese did to American
POWs in WW2 or the Vietnamese in that war.
Finally the simple fact that we are open enough that:
1. People know where the detainees are being held
2. We actually have allowed some to stand trial
3. We actually care what other nations think enough that we debate this
issue, and we are open enough to allow internal dissatisfaction drive the
debate
These points alone show that we are doing more than a great many nations in
the world would do, even so called civilized ones.
To my mind, and I am sure to most peoples that have been there, this debate
is silly to the point of insanity.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Yes, we can lock them up forever....
>
>
> THEY KILLED or were
> > trying to KILL americans...
>
> Actually only around 4-5 detainees have been charged with
> anything since their detainment. Surely if they were trying to
> kill Americans and there was evidence they would have been
> charged by now. It is getting on for four years now.
>
> I am from Australia which of course has a very good relationship
> with America. Even here you have no idea how bad Guantanamo and
> the current Washington Adminstration is making America look to
> the rest of the world.
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Yes, we can lock them up forever....
>
>
> > fucking right we can.
> >
> > DONT TRY TO KILL AMERICANS!!!!
> >
> > simple as that. you play with fire and you get burned, you stay burnt
> > FOREVER right?
> >
> > dont play with fire.
> >
> > we could have killed them. we showed restraint and didnt.
> THEY KILLED or were
> > trying to KILL americans... should we be nice to them?
> >
> > i dont think so.
> >
> > tony
> >
> > On 6/15/05, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm going to blog about this as well... but dang this makes me sick:
> > >
> > >
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20050615/p
l_nm/security_usa_detainees_dc
> >
> > The best line, a quote from Senator Jeff Sessions: "Some of them need
> > to be executed."
> >
> > I guess a fair tial would just be too much trouble, eh?
> >
> > --
> > =======================================================================
> > Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc
(www.mindseye.com)
> >
> > Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> >
> > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com
> > Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster
> >
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >
> >
>
>
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