There has been a fair amount of coverage on the subject of the makeup of the 
insurgency if you dig through the press coverage. Partly they are hardcore 
Baathists who are dead-enders, basically. They oppose the new government 
because they want the old regime back. Partly they are foreign fighters who are 
waging a holy war. Partly they are just average guys who are getting cash to 
fire guns at Americans and Iraqi soldiers. 

They don't have a government, hell, they don't even have a single command 
structure. There isn't just one group. 

In terms of controlling territory, our troops can go anywhere in the country in 
force. Does that mean the enemy isn't there? No, of course not. But the enemy 
doesn't have the capability to meet us in the field, which is why they don't 
control any territory. You can only control territory if you can defend it. 
They had control of several cities before, mainly Fallujah, and we crushed them.

In terms of bringing democracy, it is very clear that the Kurds and the Shiites 
badly want democracy. It may not be the kind of secular western democracy the 
civilians in the Pentagon thought they could impose on Iraq, but it will be a 
government by the people for the people. The Sunnis are still pissed that they 
are no longer in control of the country. They see themselves as the rightful 
rulers of Iraq and they look at the Kurds and Shiites as dogs and heretics. 

We need to understand what will motivate people to participate in the 
government together without resorting to civil war. After that, we don't try to 
understand, and we don't try to impose, we just provide a stable framework to 
help them work out their own problems. My biggest problem with the effort of 
the Pentagon has been thist foolish and arrogant notion that their democracy 
should look like our democracy. I say let the Iraqis work it out for 
themselves. 

>I hate to be a spoilsport, but exactly how do you know this? It seems
>to me that the whole problem is that we do not understand the culture
>of the place we are trying to ahem, bring democracy to, allegedly.
>
>There's no government in the sense that we have DC, but... what about
>control of territory? I'd like to know what a foot soldier in Iraq
>thinks about that. Three and four are even more questionable.
>
>Dana
>
>On 8/16/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

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