Well, for once, we agree.  I think there needs to be an amendment 
protecting the rights of homosexuals to be married (or whatever).  And 
this is what I'm arguing for.  :-)

And, obviously, I'll continue arguing until either it happens or I am no 
longer able to argue (senility, death, Patriot Act VII, whatever).

--Ben

MS wrote:
> Government's role is that actually that of conflict resolution, but it's
> become far more than it should be at this point.
> 
> Our federal government is based upon majority rule in a representative
> format.  Because it is majority rule, the founding fathers saw need to
> insert a few amendments - the Bill of Rights - that listed the personal
> freedoms that majority could not take away.  They also specifically
> mentioned the fact that any right NOT so listed in the Constitution is up to
> the states.  This includes acts that may or may not be considered moral -
> sodomy, age of consent, the right of euthanasia. Because these acts are not
> specifically listed in the Constitution, it is up to local governments to
> determine the legality.  When moral issues become a national matter, they
> also allowed for adding more amendments, with majority rule.  Notice that I
> keep saying majority rule.  If you have an issue that your government
> disagrees with you on, you'd best get an amendment.
> 
> The system allows the majority of the people in the country to live as they
> see fit - isn't this why the government was formed?  The individual
> liberties that were pressing in 1789 - free speech, right of religion, due
> process of law - were accounted for.  The fact that they were given does NOT
> mean that you get to do anything you want to do. 
> 
> If you want gay marriage across the US, you need to get an amendment - that
> way, the majority of Americans have approved it and  will live with it.  If
> you can't get one, you're up the creek without a paddle - the majority of
> Americans don't think it's something they want to live with.  Is it fair?
> Sure, the most people get things their way.  Is it equal?  No, it's not
> designed to be.  Does it allow for local rule?  Yes - a state can allow for
> gay marriage.  Actually, this is the most fair way to be - a local
> government can determine whether or not a law is good for its citizens.
> 
> You don't have to agree with me, that's fine too.  But the fact that local
> citizens can determine the laws that work best for their community is most
> fair to me, even if it means that I can't do something I'd like to do, even
> if it doesn't affect anyone but me.  I'd love to burn a pile of leaves in my
> back yard, but the local government doesn't allow me to do this.  I can
> fight it, but their views are one way, mine the other. However, I know that
> they can't take away my right to say what I want - that's a liberty granted
> to me by the federal government.
> 
> This is representative government - allowing the majority to rule but giving
> the minority certain liberties which may not be taken away.
> 
> - MS
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:45 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: I'm surrounded!
> 
> +1
> 
> 
>>The translation of this is:  law = morality
> 
> .....
> 
>>Normally people who think this way are called theocrats, but somehow
>>this perversion of morality has become acceptable to right-wing
>>Republicans.
>>
>>And who's morality do they think government should impose?  Obviously
>>Christian morality.
>>
>>But what does that, in fact, teach our kids?  That government's role
>>is to persecute others based on an arbitrary view of morality.  If
>>they don't do what you do, persecute them.  Make their private
>>behavior illegal.  Subjugate them.  Government knows best.
>>
>>I sure as hell don't want my kids thinking government knows best!
>>
>>Government's role is to protect liberty and guarantee personal
>>freedoms - not take it away!
>>
> 
> 
> --
> will
> 
> 
> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
> and that would just be unacceptable."
> - Carrie Fisher
> 
> 
> 
> 

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