we on the other hand know what is best for them and we are going to give it to them whether they want it or not :) Did you not read where the the Sunnis and Shi'ites had a meeting of the minds recently and what they agreed on was this -- it is time for the Americans to leave.
<quote> Last week's Cairo conference of the various political players in Iraq, brokered by the Arab League, was critical in the way that Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite leaders compromised to reach a joint communiqué. To win over the Sunnis, it demanded "the withdrawal of foreign forces in accordance with a timetable" and noted that "resistance is a legitimate right for all people" while stressing that "terrorism does not represent legitimate resistance." </quote> http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051129-020954-3606r On 12/1/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I guess the Iraqis are just too stupid or thuggish to want democracy > > for themselves > > > > Democracy is not the product of enlightenment, it's a lifestyle, and > > it's one that some people may not like and/or understand. Further, > > democracy requires responsibility and participation. And not just in > > big national elections - it requires it all the way down to the local > > level. An elected dictator is still a dictator - his election did > > not > > prove a democratic state. > > Democracy is a lifestyle? Who exactly is the elected dictator of Iraq? All of > this bloviating without any specific facts to back it up makes you sound like > Rush (though I don't actually listen to Rush, I know what he sounds like). > > > > I said it before and I'll say it again, you (and many others) are > > just bound and determined to call > > > > That's either a cop out or a lack of understanding. I'd be the first > > to put on the party hat if we could've walked out of Iraq 2 years ago. > > Maybe I misunderstand your position. > > > To call the handling of > > the occupation "bungled" is an insult to bunglers. > > I don't necessarily agree with that all around. On a strategic level, there > has been a huge amount of bungling, to be sure. On a tactical level with the > soldiers in the field, we've done a remarkably good job, and despite the > strategic blundering, we have made tremendous progress. Compare where we are > today from where we were just after the war- no government, no institutions, > no banking system, very little operating infrastructure. > > > In short, national elections don't mean shit unless there's a > > groundswell of local democracy happening. If there is, I haven't > > heard about it, and it certainly doesn't seem as if our efforts are > > concentrated on ground-up democracy, but rather top-down. > > As Tip O'Neill said, "All politics is local." People have not trudged out > into the heat and dust against the threat of snipers and suicide bombers > because some national body demanded elections. They have risked life and limb > to vote because they want to be heard. They want to be represented. In short, > they want democracy! I find it amazing how many so-called liberal thinkers > mock the notion that people want their voices to be heard. No, they would > rather live in oppression and tyranny! That's all they have every known, they > must prefer it! Please. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:185282 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
