"And then there's the religious aspect: why do some Christians feel the
need to force their religion on others?  Are they insecure about it?"

The real problem with disallowing  ID in schools is that evolution 
contradicts creationism.  Although you place your trust in science, some 
people place their trust in their religion, and you cannot ask that they do 
otherwise. This has become a topic because the schools are not being 
religion-neutral, they are teaching things which are specifically 
anti-religious, which in itself is atheist, and therefore against the 
Constiution.  Which is why the ID people, and yes, it's creationism at it's 
root, albeit denomination-neutral (It could be Allah, God, Yahweh, Zeus, 
Vishnu, Buddha, the spaghetti-eating monster from outer-space... take your 
pick), are fighting for it - they don't want their religious beliefs 
trampled on by science, or by the schools.

To be fair to all parties, the issue should be withdrawn from public 
schools.  However, that's cheating the kids, which is why they've presented 
a religion-neutral form of creationism.

And I don't get what they big fight is about on the anti-ID side.  So your 
kid is taught:  "Evolution is proven by science.  However,  some people 
believe that evolution is not true, that somebody must have created it. Take 
your pick."

And then there's the (anti) religious aspect: why do some secularists feel 
the need to force their faithless views on others?  Are they insecure about 
them?

- Matt


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: ID is a pretty sh*tty science


>> G Unit wrote:
>> This NY Times editorial about the recent Dover decision against 
>> intelligent design is perfectly
>
> Here's the problem: ID in schools is a shill to turn secular schools
> into religious schools.  The most ironic part is that these Christians
> are lying about their motives.  Why do they need to lie?  Why not just
> come clean and admit why they want it and what they intend?
>
> And ID is a valid perspective.  IDers will argue that while it's not
> testable, neither is the Big Bang.  The difference between the two
> that the Big Bang Theory was derived via math while ID was just
> thought up.
>
> And then there's the religious aspect: why do some Christians feel the
> need to force their religion on others?  Are they insecure about it?
>
> 

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