I truly love this list. There's no other place where you can go and see a simple comment about a drop-down menu get turned into a heated debate over the differences between sarcasm and irony. We've got to fit racism and politics in here somewhere.
Mark -----Original Message----- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:31 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Countries Given your past comments demonstrating how you feel about the U.S.' attit ude about being the biggest and the best, I would say that sarcasm would be t he easiest to convey, in this instance. As for your suggestion that this wa s a form of irony, well, here are the definitions of irony .. which one of th ese definitions applies to your 'subtle irony'? i�ro�ny (r-n, r-) n. pl. i�ro�nies 1.. 1.. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning. 2.. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast betwee n apparent and intended meaning. 3.. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetori cal effect. See Synonyms at wit1. 2.. 1.. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occu rs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain). 2.. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongrui ty. See Usage Note at ironic. 3.. Dramatic irony. 4.. Socratic irony. irony \I"ron*y\, a. [From Iron.] 1. Made or consisting of iron; partaking of iron; iron; as, irony chains; irony particles. [R.] ((I don't think this applies)) irony \I"ron*y\, n.[L. ironia, Gr. ? dissimulation, fr. ? a dissembler in speech, fr. ? to speak; perh. akin to E. word: cf. F. ironie.] 1. Dissimulation; ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provok ing an antagonist. 2. A sort of humor, ridicule, or light sarcasm, which ado pts a mode of speech the meaning of which is contrary to the literal sense of the words. irony n 1: witty language used to convey insults or scorn; "he used sarca sm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid" [syn: sarcasm, satire, caustic remark] 2: incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" 3: a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs. Call it sarcasm, or irony, or mince words however you like, the meaning a nd intent of the statement was clear. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Countries > sorry howie... I'm afraid your wrong... this is a very BIG difference > between sarcasm and subtle irony... You read my posts and read sarcasm, even > when it wasn't there in the first place... I'd say of all of the implie d > tones, sarcasm would be one of the most difficult to convey in writing as > it's mostly audio/visual (ie. in person). So reading this inturn re-enforces > your notion that I am a "USA basher" as you say. I'm sorry, but your > categorisation of me is pointless... have I ever categorized you? > > Benjamin ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
