See, I really dislike being stuffed into this pigeonhole you have for people 
who don't agree with you. Whoever said the government was the source of wealth? 
Similarly your invitational - how am I supposed to answer that? Ideally, nobody 
should be on welfare. Also, you seem to define "welfare" to mean all transfer 
payments, environmental and consumer regulation, and labor law. 

As for the below... it hasn't shown me squat. It's a list of assertions that 
you keep making, most of which are laughable. 

have a nice day ;)

Dana


> > Dana wrote:
> > So people have come along and said, ok, it has been shown that you 
> can increase demand for goods by increasing the pool of available 
> money. However, this does not fit our ideology because ::gasp:: this 
> might result in poor people getting money and that would be bad for 
> the balance of power around here and just bad generally because that 
> would be welfare.
> >
> 
> Of course what you're conveniently forgetting is that:
> 
> 1.) The gov't is NOT the source of wealth!  The gov't hasn't taken 
> all
> the wealth and then given it to a few random people.  Those few 
> people
> have EARNED it and the gov't is taking their capital and
> redistributing it to those less able to make good use of it.  Why do
> you think Welfare didn't work??
> 
> 2.) Today's average citizen has more access to credit, capital, than
> has ever existed in modern history!  Access to capital is not a
> problem for anyone who didn't cause their own problem through their
> own choice.  This was not true in the 20s.  Only the rich had access
> to credit.
> 
> 3.) Telecommunications and modern technology mean that any person can
> know about any trend, any study, any knowledge, at the tap of the key.
> 
 
> Any person can educate themselves on anything at any time.  Or talk
> to anyone anywhere in the world.  Education was not near this level 
> in
> the 20s.
> 
> There, I've listened, I agree that Keynes once had some ideas, and
> I've shown you the errors and explained why they weren't that great 
> in
> policy then, and are unnecessary now.
> 
> It all comes down to education and access to capital.  Everyone has
> it, therefore everyone has a level playing field, and I shouldn't 
> have
> to subsidize those that choose not to use it.

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