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Tim Heald said: > So let me understand this, you said you were quitting. > > Here you are posting. > > But your a man of your word. > > This is in no way contradictory to you? Did you read the message, Tim? This isn't a retorical question, I would actually like to know if you read it. I had rather assumed you had, because you'd responded to it, but it doesn't appear you did. I never said I was leaving permanently. As a matter of fact, I expressed fairly clearly my desire to be involved in this community in the future. So unless you believe that for example when a coworker of yours says, "I'm taking the week off for a vacation" they literally mean "goodbye, one and all! Have a nice life, 'cause I hope I never see any of you again!" then no, it's not contradictory. You need to read the words, Tim, and apply their "objective" meanings. Shit, even the subject was "taking a break" -- which in and of itself implies that there will be an end to the break. So even if you'd only read the subject line and none of the message, there would be no way you could misconstrue this as having meant that I would be gone forever. The break was a little shorter than I'd originally thought. And technically it's not over, though that's really because I'm not going to have direct access to email for a while, so even personal messages are going to get delayed responses. I might have held off a few more days on posting these threads if I didn't have this project starting. >You claim all you wanted was for this shit to >end, yet you continued to post, even now, and >I'm expected to sit back and do and say nothing >or I look like a thug and a hooligan. >Guess what? I am. I always have been. Hey man, I'm just tryin' to clear the air. If you want to continue to make things worse there's nothing I can do about that. I don't expect you to "sit back and say nothing" -- I may not "know" you, but I know you well enough to know you'll say something. >You were made to look like a punk, partially >by your own words. Yeah, I overreacted. It happens sometimes. >You did initially run away, and apparently >have decided to jump in, take a parting >shot, and run away again. Mmmmm... nope... read the messages Tim, it doesn't do you any good if you just ignore what I'm saying. > If you weren't intimidated why did you continue > to write me off list, apologize, and call me a > bully repeatedly? The fact that I didn't and still don't cow-tow to you is evidence that I'm not intimidated. I apologized because I feel an apology was warranted. I called you a bully because you have been exhibiting what I perceive to be the behavior of bullies. I've explained it in no uncertain terms, but you have yet to respond to my description of what makes it bully behavior. But these three things are separate issues. >>> I told you a VERY public apology, and I go away. >>Define very. >Hey look there is where you finally took a stand, >after you found out you had miscalculated. >>Then you'll always be a bully. Being offended by >>a verbal comment, you choose to not only respond >>with verbal abuse (which I will admit to having >>done and in this case instigated -- this is me >>owning up and taking responsibility for my actions) >Funny to me that I am a bully when you very obviously >instigated this all. How exactly did I instigate threats of physical violence? How exactly did I drag someone else's entirely uninvolved girlfriend into the middle of it? (I'll disclude comments about careers here, since you've provided a tenuous line of reasoning.) > Hey look, you had no problem admitting it was your > fault off list, why not man up, and take > responsibility for your actions man? You obviously misunderstood what I was saying. I was owning up to having called you names. Period. That is the only injustice I did to you and it is the only injustice you will receive an apology for. Whether you take responsibility for having escalated it to other realms is entirely another question, and I have neither demanded nor even requested an apology for it. And I won't. Technically what you did wasn't to request an apology, you gave me an ultimatum; apologize or potentially suffer physical bodily injury (or whatever other form of injury you can think to inflict on me). You did actually receive an apology, although it wasn't a result of the ultimatum since I'd already provided it before I read the ultimatum. And technically the apology you received didn't fulfill the demand of the ultimatum since I didn't post it on cf-talk. > By the way, why do you call your psychotic ranting > a comment, but my own verbal abuse? I have described my own comments as abusive. You would know that if you read the subsequent messages. I overreacted and I called you names. It's admittedly childish, but how is that psychotic? > Feeling sorry for yourself again? Nope. >>I accept responsibility for having made hurtful >>comments and am willing to make restitution. >I told you what form I wanted that restitution to >take. It's about respect. I don't believe that. I don't believe it because respect can not be achieved via an ultimatum. Fear perhaps, although not in this case. >Also, I didn't try and ruin your career. I just >figure that the community deserves to know what >kind of people are around, what kind of people >are supposedly at the forefront of our industry. I will accept that (and retract the comment). It did have the outward appearance of an attempt to ruin my career. >You said something about getting into a career >ruining war with me, well it's kind of hard to >do when you don't have a job, isn't it? Fuck no, it's not hard at all. :) I realise this was just another attempt at a cheap shot. This is the longest I've been out of a full-time job in several years and at the moment it's been about a month. So yeah, the things I say now could certianly have an affect on my career in the future. >So lets review: Lets >you lied when you said you were >leaving the list, Nope. You didn't read what I said or failed to comprehend it. It makes no difference to me which you choose, but it's one or the other. >lied when you said you wanted to >provide restitution, Nope. I provided restitution for the offense I believed warranted resitution. > lied about our little war, as > you have no career. Hmmm... Another attempt at a cheap shot. 8 years of experience says differently. > So far, what I get is that you are > anything but a man of your word. Only if you believe zero out of three aint bad. Doesn't look like good odds to me. >I freely admit I was angry as hell when I was >posting the other night. I still don't think >I said anything you didn't deserve. Okay. I think that puts you in the minority. >Maybe my language was more off color than normal, >but everything I said was true. Well, I guess >it's hard to explain truth to a liar that doesn't >understand that words have objective meanings. When are you going to drive down here in person so you can hurt me physically? You're right, it's not that far from DC, only a few hours drive. I see this honesty thing is very important to you. I'm certain you wouldn't want people to think you levy empty threats, since that would make you a liar and you really can't have that. 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