Nah, see like I said, at this point I'm not answering these for just you anyway, there is a deeper purpose here at this point.
Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:48 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Clarifications > > > You might get faster replies if you cc me directly, although given > that email is likely to be reasonably inaccessible to me starting > tomorrow, you may not get a fast response anyway. > > Tim Heald said: > > So let me understand this, you said you were quitting. > > > > Here you are posting. > > > > But your a man of your word. > > > > This is in no way contradictory to you? > > Did you read the message, Tim? > > This isn't a retorical question, I would actually like to know if you > read it. > > I had rather assumed you had, because you'd responded to it, but it > doesn't appear you did. > > I never said I was leaving permanently. As a matter of fact, I > expressed fairly clearly my desire to be involved in this community in > the future. > > So unless you believe that for example when a coworker of yours says, > "I'm taking the week off for a vacation" they literally mean "goodbye, > one and all! Have a nice life, 'cause I hope I never see any of you > again!" then no, it's not contradictory. > > You need to read the words, Tim, and apply their "objective" meanings. > > > Shit, even the subject was "taking a break" -- which in and of itself > implies that there will be an end to the break. So even if you'd only > read the subject line and none of the message, there would be no way > you could misconstrue this as having meant that I would be gone > forever. > > The break was a little shorter than I'd originally thought. And > technically it's not over, though that's really because I'm not going > to have direct access to email for a while, so even personal messages > are going to get delayed responses. I might have held off a few more > days on posting these threads if I didn't have this project starting. > > >You claim all you wanted was for this shit to > >end, yet you continued to post, even now, and > >I'm expected to sit back and do and say nothing > >or I look like a thug and a hooligan. > >Guess what? I am. I always have been. > > Hey man, I'm just tryin' to clear the air. If you want to continue to > make things worse there's nothing I can do about that. I don't expect > you to "sit back and say nothing" -- I may not "know" you, but I know > you well enough to know you'll say something. > > >You were made to look like a punk, partially > >by your own words. > > Yeah, I overreacted. It happens sometimes. > > >You did initially run away, and apparently > >have decided to jump in, take a parting > >shot, and run away again. > > Mmmmm... nope... read the messages Tim, it doesn't do you any good if > you just ignore what I'm saying. > > > If you weren't intimidated why did you continue > > to write me off list, apologize, and call me a > > bully repeatedly? > > The fact that I didn't and still don't cow-tow to you is evidence that > I'm not intimidated. I apologized because I feel an apology was > warranted. I called you a bully because you have been exhibiting what > I perceive to be the behavior of bullies. I've explained it in no > uncertain terms, but you have yet to respond to my description of what > makes it bully behavior. But these three things are separate issues. > > >>> I told you a VERY public apology, and I go away. > > >>Define very. > > >Hey look there is where you finally took a stand, > >after you found out you had miscalculated. > > >>Then you'll always be a bully. Being offended by > >>a verbal comment, you choose to not only respond > >>with verbal abuse (which I will admit to having > >>done and in this case instigated -- this is me > >>owning up and taking responsibility for my actions) > > >Funny to me that I am a bully when you very obviously > >instigated this all. > > How exactly did I instigate threats of physical violence? How exactly > did I drag someone else's entirely uninvolved girlfriend into the > middle of it? (I'll disclude comments about careers here, since you've > provided a tenuous line of reasoning.) > > > Hey look, you had no problem admitting it was your > > fault off list, why not man up, and take > > responsibility for your actions man? > > You obviously misunderstood what I was saying. I was owning up to > having called you names. Period. That is the only injustice I did to > you and it is the only injustice you will receive an apology for. > Whether you take responsibility for having escalated it to other > realms is entirely another question, and I have neither demanded nor > even requested an apology for it. And I won't. > > Technically what you did wasn't to request an apology, you gave me an > ultimatum; apologize or potentially suffer physical bodily injury (or > whatever other form of injury you can think to inflict on me). You did > actually receive an apology, although it wasn't a result of the > ultimatum since I'd already provided it before I read the ultimatum. > And technically the apology you received didn't fulfill the demand of > the ultimatum since I didn't post it on cf-talk. > > > By the way, why do you call your psychotic ranting > > a comment, but my own verbal abuse? > > I have described my own comments as abusive. You would know that if > you read the subsequent messages. I overreacted and I called you > names. It's admittedly childish, but how is that psychotic? > > > Feeling sorry for yourself again? > > Nope. > > >>I accept responsibility for having made hurtful > >>comments and am willing to make restitution. > > >I told you what form I wanted that restitution to > >take. It's about respect. > > I don't believe that. I don't believe it because respect can not be > achieved via an ultimatum. Fear perhaps, although not in this case. > > >Also, I didn't try and ruin your career. I just > >figure that the community deserves to know what > >kind of people are around, what kind of people > >are supposedly at the forefront of our industry. > > I will accept that (and retract the comment). It did have the outward > appearance of an attempt to ruin my career. > > >You said something about getting into a career > >ruining war with me, well it's kind of hard to > >do when you don't have a job, isn't it? > > Fuck no, it's not hard at all. :) I realise this was just another > attempt at a cheap shot. This is the longest I've been out of a > full-time job in several years and at the moment it's been about a > month. So yeah, the things I say now could certianly have an affect on > my career in the future. > > >So lets review: > > Lets > > >you lied when you said you were > >leaving the list, > > Nope. You didn't read what I said or failed to comprehend it. It makes > no difference to me which you choose, but it's one or the other. > > >lied when you said you wanted to > >provide restitution, > > Nope. I provided restitution for the offense I believed warranted > resitution. > > > lied about our little war, as > > you have no career. > > Hmmm... Another attempt at a cheap shot. > 8 years of experience says differently. > > > So far, what I get is that you are > > anything but a man of your word. > > Only if you believe zero out of three aint bad. Doesn't look like good > odds to me. > > >I freely admit I was angry as hell when I was > >posting the other night. I still don't think > >I said anything you didn't deserve. > > Okay. I think that puts you in the minority. > > >Maybe my language was more off color than normal, > >but everything I said was true. Well, I guess > >it's hard to explain truth to a liar that doesn't > >understand that words have objective meanings. > > When are you going to drive down here in person so you can hurt me > physically? You're right, it's not that far from DC, only a few hours > drive. I see this honesty thing is very important to you. I'm certain > you wouldn't want people to think you levy empty threats, since that > would make you a liar and you really can't have that. Be my > huckleberry. :) > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > add features without fixtures with > the onTap open source framework > > http://www.fusiontap.com > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:204388 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
