On 7/29/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > The summary of your point is that you think it's possible to win an > urban "combatant" war. I don't. We'll find out who's right.
Summary of my point is we have no choice but to win. > As I pointed out for Iraq - 95% of the people killing Americans are > Iraqis. Translation: We are in the middle of a civil war. We will > not "win" that war. This was the lesson of Vietnam that you and > McNamara apparently never learned. You are so sure the Ba'ath terrorists will win back control and rule like Saddam did that you've given up all hope. There are gangs of people trying to gain power by force and Terror. The majority of Iraqis are against these people, which is why most people aren't at war. It's hard for me to call it a civil war when most people aren't fighting. > There's just too many of these examples to cite, but the better > question is can you cite a single modern urban war that was won? No, > because there aren't any. Not Vietnam, not the first invasion of > Lebanon, it won't happen in Iraq, and it won't happen for Israel now. Didn't Israel win all its wars? How about the Gulf war, Grenada, Falklands, Panama off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more. > The mistake you and others are making are in forgetting that, for > example, in WWII the only way either VE day occurred was because we > decided to bomb civilians. That is, we used the kill-everyone > strategy. Nobody likes war. Sometimes it's a necessity. > Which is why I've said - if we want to win in Iraq or Lebanon we can > do it 2 ways: kill everyone, or find a diplomatic solution. > > The but-they-started-it-and-they're-the-bad-guys talk is romantic and > emotional, and therefore totally impractical. Now what are you talking about? Israel has been trying diplomacy since the beginning and yet they are still always attacked. Is your point they should just keep taking it on the chin until they're finally destroyed? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:212018 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
