If we don't pull out we can win with time and effort. I think we need a far larger presence in both country's.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Read and discuss amongst yourselves > > > Loathe, are we fighting the right people though? Are we having those > kids killed in a cause that is worth anything, or are we just in the > middle of a bar fight between rival gangs we have no stake in? Are we > even actually fighting the people that did the things you listed > below? > > What do we gain by holding Baghdad or Falusah that is worth the > loss of blood? > What would be the problem of pulling out, but staying close enough to > kick the every living hell out of anyone who pisses us off in there > again? > > I certainly don't have all the answers, but are we really doing > anthing useful in Iraq? Or in Afghanistan for that matter, with the > approach and manning levels we have in place there? > > On 10/29/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Blood. > > > > American blood. > > > > That's enough for me. > > > > That spilt at kobar. > > > > At the marine barracks in Beirut, in that port in Yemen I had to pull > > security on, you know with the Cole? > > > > In Kosovo, though we didn't see it right then, in Somalia, > although it would > > take a decade to see the connection. > > > > NYC, the Pentagon. Now on the Streets of Kabul and Ramali and Baghdad. > > > > Yeah, enough for me man. > > > > War is just that. We're not putting in the effort a WAR > requires, and were > > allowing these kids to be fucking killed man, we can't stop now. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:04 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Read and discuss amongst yourselves > > > > > > > > > > Loathe wrote: > > > > Bodies aren't part of economics. > > > > > > But they are because what are those bodies working, fighting, and > > > dying for? A stable Iraq? A stable Middle East? What's the purpose? > > > That's my question: assuming we "win", what do we get? > > > > > > And it's looking more and more like we won't get anything and we'll > > > likely lose things; whether we leave now or 10 years from now. > > > > > > The internal disputes will still be there, and may turn to war. Iran > > > will still want to crush Iraq, and there'll be extraordinary pressure > > > on any Iraq to turn away from the west. Which means we may end up > > > with an enemy. Now or later. > > > > > > There's been trouble in the Middle East since WWII and I see no reason > > > why Iraq will change that. > > > > > > Maybe the will to fight is lost because nobody has defined what we're > > > fighting for. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:218633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
