On 1/27/07, Denny Valliant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm talking about how America /could/ have been, vs. how it is, and > will now be- for a bit. WE WERE IN THE BLACK, ESSE! And who > was it that took us there? Clinton! Someone who the old school > (and apparently new school repub^h^h^h^h^h conservatives dislike. > (but that's weird, if as you say, Neo-Cons are concerned as to how > the US stands "globally"-- Clinton put us in a pretty good spot.))
Remember Al Gores lock box? He didn't come up with that because the republicans were raiding the SS funds. He came up with it because Clinton did. When the Internet was fresh and companies were dumping billions into it Clinton took the SS money and balanced the budget. He based that on the estimate of tem more years of super economic growth could easily pay it back. Than the .com bubble burst and there was a recession and a huge IOU. Bush could do the same but he's not a convicted liar and shyster. As for our global standing, Clinton downgraded the military, did little when we were attacked and played nicely with Arafat and China. In other words he weakened our position as the worlds only superpower and other countries like that. I don't because I'm not sure how much I can trust the next super power. > > Money and prestige screws over our kids? You are fading out again. > > For want of money and prestige, the current power structure borrowed > against our children's futures. WE WERE IN THE BLACK. As in, > NOT IN DEBT (sorta, we still owed craploads and whatnot, but still). Clinton is the one that raided the SS fund. Bush wanted to fix it and the Dems fought like hell to leave it broken. See the problem there. > The tuna industry that lobbied really hard to get off the list. > What about those "other" industries? Why was Tuna special? > And isn't that sorta anti-capitalistic --manipulating the market? Not true and I published the link to prove it. You should be concern about how the tuna industry almost got away without a minimum wage increase. > I don't buy that, sorry. By supporting Israel, we're getting all sticky > with... stuff. Gross stuff. And I like how you avoided the whole > religious aspect as to why Bush Jr. is so "concerned" with Israel. Because religion has nothing to do with it. > Bush Jr. IS pretty religious, right? That would be hard to refute at > this point. So, since he had to pull his religion into it, we have to > think about the aspects of his "faith". And don't tell me his faith > isn't concerned with Israel, and not in a canary/mine-shaft way. Now you're implying that as a born again Christian, they want to create Armageddon in Israel so the world can end and they can go to heaven. That would make you either gullible or nuts. It's odd how Israel just wants peace and they're not very religious. Yet many nations want to destroy them because they're Jews and you seem to be ok with that. As long as you see it as a religious war it's fine. But look at it another way. Palestinians aren't allowed citizenship in any Arab nation yet they are in Israel. They aren't allowed to vote in other Arab nation but they are in Israel. > I care about the world. Israel is a part of it, so I care, but I'm not > all up in Israels butt. I don't think that "they're the good guys", if > that's what you're trying to imply about 'em. So do you think the nice folks blowing up women and children are the good guys or are they all evil? > Why do you think Israel is more important than any of the others? > (since that show on PBS about the history of the region-- Turkey > sounds pretty interesting. We'll have to ask O to the funky G to > elaborate ;) We actually work with most of the Middle Eastern countries. Remember Kuwait? > No, every group may /want/ power, or some other sorta glass-half-empty- > type-of-deal, but not all are able to use people's emotions and tragic events > to usurp things that rightly belong to others. Normally there are checks and > balances. I must not remember when Clinton tried to say that legally he > didn't have to answer to an entire arm of the government, as I thought we'd Didn't he spend most of his presidency trying not to answer question by the courts. When he finally did he just lied and pressured his witness to lie. > all been taught since grade-school. Well, there was that whole thing with > congress... but at least there was some friction! My god, look how badly > we get screwed when there's nothing but yes men! It's dispicable, and it's > not "normal" as you try to imply by saying "everyone does it". I call BS! I never said everyone does it and I don't agree with your assessment that Bush is ignoring the judiciary. > > Bush is definitely not a true conservative. Neo-cons are about the > > responsibility of being the worlds only superpower and making changes > > in places like the middle east rather then sitting back and hoping > > they don't notice us. That doesn't mean attacking for no reason as > > many think, but to recognize the threats and act. > > And Ironically, the Neo-cons have taken us down several notches as > "the worlds only super power". We might not be the "only one" any > more. We certainly lost a good bit of moral ground, one of the best > things we had going for us. Thanks alot, Neo-Cons! Way to protect > and strengthen a great country! Woot! Soooo much better now!!! Are you mixing military might with moral support? Didn't they say that about that cowboy Ronald Reagan until the wall came down? Sometimes you have to confront the enemy to make a change for the better. Or you can sit back and do nothing for decades. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:225989 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
