Howard,

Not all the world has the same values etc as the US. Why should the US
impose their attitudes, values or morality on those countries. For instance
the US has a set of laws that forbid trading with Cuba. Canada allows full
commercial exchange with Cuba. Periodically some fanatical anticommunist of
a prosecutor tries to haul a Canadian company into court over a trading deal
with Cuba. Is that right?

Another example - Nonprofit funding for birth control clinics. GW Shrub has
reimposed regulations that forbids staff members from even talking about
abortion. This is imposing a certain segment of the US's morality on other
countries, as well as forbidding free speech of certain topics. 

larry 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee
> 
> 
> Before Sept. 11, there would be rallies in Kabul supporting 
> the Taliban. Of
> course, the people would show up and cheer.
> 
> After the U.S. destroyed the Taliban, people were dancing in 
> the street.
> 
> Nobody, except the oppressors, want to live in an oppressive 
> society. All
> people want to be free. It's just human nature.
> 
> Obviously, we're right. We're right to the point that there 
> is no logical
> argument against it. All people want to be free. And the U.S. 
> has a moral,
> ethical obligation (always has and has almost always, until 
> now, failed in
> the obligation) to help all people, the world over, become free.
> 
> Freedom is right. Tyranny is wrong.  It's that simple.
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:53 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee
> 
> 
> wow. Are you really right? Is your way the 'right' way?
> 
> So what you're saying is essential "it's our way or the highway"?
> 
> What happens if they choose the highway? Do they get the bomb?
> 
> Benjamin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee
> 
> 
> > It's issues like this that have turned me from a fairly 
> moderate person
> when
> > it comes to foreign policy toward the middle east, to a 
> down-right hawk.
> >
> > I've ranted about this before -- and Beth even agreed with 
> me (well, most
> of
> > it, she said) -- "They will like us when we win."
> >
> > We are in for long-term trouble if we don't put a stop to 
> this sort of
> > propaganda now. And the best way to do that is show our 
> enemies that we
> mean
> > business, so that our near enemies (the Saudis, for 
> example), get the
> > message.
> >
> > I don't think the middle eastern countries really got the 
> message after
> > Afghanistan -- we mean business. Either you join the modern 
> world, become
> a
> > free-market democracy, with full rights for all people, or 
> you face our
> > wrath.
> >
> > There is no more room for making nice with the Palestinians. If the
> > Palestinians are serious about obtaining a homeland -- 
> something I support
> > under the right circumstances -- then they must reform 
> themselves. They
> must
> > embrace our (and Israel's) values -- by that I mean, the 
> rule of law,
> > freedom, a market economy.
> >
> > It is time that we start treating countries that do not 
> share our values
> as
> > either enemies or potential enemies. It is essential if we 
> are ever going
> to
> > create a peaceful world.
> >
> > Fascism (which is what counties like Saudi Arabia are) and 
> communism are
> > systems of government and economics that are totally 
> antithesis to our
> own.
> > We must treat them as such from now on. The formally 
> politically correct
> > attitude we once took toward governments that differed from 
> us ("we do our
> > thing and you do yours because there is no right or wrong 
> government") has
> > no place in the post-Sept. 11 world. We are right. Anything 
> that conflicts
> > with our values (rule of law, freedom, market economy) is 
> wrong. It's that
> > simple.
> >
> > H.
> >
> >
> 
> 
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