I am unsure if I disagree or agree with this.

I am a firm believer in freedom.  I am not someone who is so culturally PC
that I think that in Saudi its ok for women to be oppressed because its
their culture - its wrong everywhere, even if a culture dictates it and has
historically for millenium.

We have an obligation to opressed people. If we didn't, I and many of my
family members would no longer exist. But I am unsure if the tyranny has to
do with the type of rule or has to do with the rulers.

My brother lived in a kibbutz in israel - a socialist society, and i don't
think anyone was really opressed - but I suppose it was a democratic
socialist society, so maybe that doesn't count.  I can remember reading
about good rulers- kings who cared about their constiuents and didn't opress
them.


----- Original Message -----
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To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee


> Before Sept. 11, there would be rallies in Kabul supporting the Taliban.
Of
> course, the people would show up and cheer.
>
> After the U.S. destroyed the Taliban, people were dancing in the street.
>
> Nobody, except the oppressors, want to live in an oppressive society. All
> people want to be free. It's just human nature.
>
> Obviously, we're right. We're right to the point that there is no logical
> argument against it. All people want to be free. And the U.S. has a moral,
> ethical obligation (always has and has almost always, until now, failed in
> the obligation) to help all people, the world over, become free.
>
> Freedom is right. Tyranny is wrong.  It's that simple.
>
> H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:53 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee
>
>
> wow. Are you really right? Is your way the 'right' way?
>
> So what you're saying is essential "it's our way or the highway"?
>
> What happens if they choose the highway? Do they get the bomb?
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee
>
>
> > It's issues like this that have turned me from a fairly moderate person
> when
> > it comes to foreign policy toward the middle east, to a down-right hawk.
> >
> > I've ranted about this before -- and Beth even agreed with me (well,
most
> of
> > it, she said) -- "They will like us when we win."
> >
> > We are in for long-term trouble if we don't put a stop to this sort of
> > propaganda now. And the best way to do that is show our enemies that we
> mean
> > business, so that our near enemies (the Saudis, for example), get the
> > message.
> >
> > I don't think the middle eastern countries really got the message after
> > Afghanistan -- we mean business. Either you join the modern world,
become
> a
> > free-market democracy, with full rights for all people, or you face our
> > wrath.
> >
> > There is no more room for making nice with the Palestinians. If the
> > Palestinians are serious about obtaining a homeland -- something I
support
> > under the right circumstances -- then they must reform themselves. They
> must
> > embrace our (and Israel's) values -- by that I mean, the rule of law,
> > freedom, a market economy.
> >
> > It is time that we start treating countries that do not share our values
> as
> > either enemies or potential enemies. It is essential if we are ever
going
> to
> > create a peaceful world.
> >
> > Fascism (which is what counties like Saudi Arabia are) and communism are
> > systems of government and economics that are totally antithesis to our
> own.
> > We must treat them as such from now on. The formally politically correct
> > attitude we once took toward governments that differed from us ("we do
our
> > thing and you do yours because there is no right or wrong government")
has
> > no place in the post-Sept. 11 world. We are right. Anything that
conflicts
> > with our values (rule of law, freedom, market economy) is wrong. It's
that
> > simple.
> >
> > H.
> >
> >
>
> 
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