On 2/23/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Is there a free, enterprise capable windows version out there?
> > Any free version, for that matter?  Is it possible for MS to cost less
> > than free, I guess is my question.  Just for the SW- no man hours,
> > or external considerations.
>
> I can't remember how much the new Longhorn basic is going to cost, but I'm
> pretty sure it won't be free. The new basic is a console only windows with
> no GUI. Pretty interesting idea from MS, but I don't know how well it will
> take off.


You know, I know Vista is "better", but the DRM stuff really kinda freaks
me out.  I don't really want a licensing server sitting on my desktop
machine.  Or "live" licensing-- seems like with each iteration, MS gets
a little more like "you're only renting this software"- "You must verify
your
OS", etc., etc..

Perhaps that's where we're headed.  It /will/ be nice to see a real command
prompt again-- been since, what, 98?  Will they all be able to drop to that
mode, or is it just the basic version specifically?

> Are you implying I don't know my way around windows land?  Should I
> > get me some certs to prove my knowledge?  No scam there, no.  I'm
> > sure a MCSE will really know what 'spozed to be known, etc..  Eh.
>
> Not at all, and I think certs are useless in general, only when places
> like
> cisco require a cisco certified person to purchase certain equipment do
> people need to get them. I think that is crap anyway. I think MS does a
> lot
> to force people to reboot because it is better that way for the lowest
> common denominator, they do a reboot because it is possible that opened
> files were replaced. But there are plenty of ways around that. In my case
> it
> does matter if I need to reboot because everything of importance is load
> balanced.


If it's load balanced, it /doesn't/ matter, you meant, right?

Ah.  I actually like the Cisco certs.  Seem a little less cookie-cutter than
the MS ones.  And useful knowledge, for various platforms.

Yeah, MS makes us get certs, but so does Apple, and I guess, since
they give us a price cut for doing so, what the hell.  So long as I
don't have to pay to take 'em. ;-)

Glad you're not some "MS certs ROCK" type-- or "certs in general rock"
type-- I've run into them, and I'm like, give me a break.  A cert is like
a test-- it doesn't really tell us much (too bad we forget this where our
kids are concerned, neh?  Putting all this emphasis on "accountability"
which really means they'll teach my kid how to test, not how to think.

I happen to know that tests and grades are only a rough kinda thing,
and don't mean that much by themselves.  Oh well.)

> Do you run any Oracle servers?  I've done it on both.  In many
> > positions.  It was naaaaasty.
> >
>
> Yes, several, only on Windows. I'm getting ready to setup a new Data
> warehouse using RAC. Right now I have two 9i servers that I run, and my
> group has 5 or 6 others. I'm going to setup a large RAC system to
> consolidate them all.


Ah.  With the gui java stuff, it probably doesn't make that much difference.

Yummy on the RAC-- haven't done it myself, but clusters ROCK. =-)

We've had better luck with our Oracle servers running on Linux- no thanks
thanks to the $$$ we spent bringing in experts while it was on MS.

   I didn't have trouble with it, but I was just some kid, what did I know.
Hehehe.  Too bad, but oh well.  The politics of DBA'n, apparently.

/me sings: the politics of ooo feeling good.


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