You are right, At a company one principle development is completed it goes to QA for user testing.
Developers aren't users, we don't catch logic issues the first time around, and after 250 times it seems right to begin with. That is why others do the testing and report back to the developers to correct the problems. And then another round of testing. You can test things as you write them, but you cannot catch everything, you simply can't. You need to have undamaged testers, meaning, somebody that knows how it generally should work, but hasn't seen the development process so they don't keep that in the back of their mind while they are testing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:50 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: I need an opinion > > Hello all, > I am soliciting opinions here. > I recently finished a few applications that are all tied in together. > Once I > finished coding and testing, I released it to the manager here for > testing. > The key word here is testing. I informed him that he may encounter some > bugs, but this is why I wanted him to test it. So of course he > encountered > some bugs in the app. After about 4 or 5 bugs later, he got pissed and > said > that he is not going to test anymore until I get all of the bugs worked > out. > I tried to explain that as the programmer I am not as objective as a > user, > and this is the reason for testing. He said, "Well that may be the new > way > to develop, but when I as a programmer we did not release anything for > testing until we knew it was bug free". I caved in and said that I will > test > it under every scenario that I can think of. > So my question is this: Who is right in this instance? Is it reasonable > to > expect that a set of highly complex applications that took several > months to > develop should be 100% bug free? Hell, I encounter bugs all the time on > major sites on the internet, and these are being release to millions of > folks, not like the few hundred here that will use it. > > Oh, and a little history. He says that he is getting pressure from his > managers to get these app live. When I interviewed for this contract > back in > December, based on the documentation given to me (about three pages > worth), > I said that this could be done within the 200 hours they budgeted. > Well, > after having a couple of meeting with stakeholders, I realized that > this was > going to take way longer than 200 hours, I informed my manager of this > and > he was OK with it. So now we have a new assistant city general manager > who > is a numbers guy and watches his budget like a hawk and apparently he > is not > happy with the progress. Of course I explained all of this to him a > couple > of weeks ago, but I guess since he is not a programmer he finds it hard > to > understand things like scope creep and the fact that the applications > were > not properly scoped out in the first place. > Not only did the initial set of meeting flesh out the inadequacy of the > original scope documentation, but I ended up meeting with the wrong > person! > The guy I was supposed to meet with was on vacation and he was not made > aware of what I was doing until I had the first part of the app done > and > ready for testing. So things changed drastically as a result of this, > and > added a few more weeks to the development. > > My impression is that my manager is reverting to CYA mode and since I > am > just a contractor, he is going to try to lay the blame on me. But then > again > I may be getting paranoid here. > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > Bruce Sorge > > "I'm a mawg: half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend!" > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:233462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
