You're confusing play noises with growling, the growl is long (grrrrrrrrrrr)
and included with specific body language, where play noises are short burst
more like snorts and snarls. There's a definitive difference.

(I'm basing this on what I was told by our breeder and the trainers that
I've spoken to about MacGregor, other trainers will tell you different
things) 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:23 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: A pic to make ya cringe

>There's really no such thing as a play growl, my Pyr, play barks and he
>makes a noise that we call "talking" (kinda sounds like "ha-rah, ha-rah,
>ha-rah") But once the growls start he's not fooling around anymore. 

I'd have to disagree with that. Ever seen dogs playing a game of tug?
There's a heck of a lot of growling and none of it has any serious intent.
My dogs often growl when we play wrestling-type games or I let them attack
me under the blanket, etc. But I'd have no problems at all telling that from
a growl they might address towards another dog that is bothering them. It's
much harder to judge though with a dog you don't know well. 



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