On 9/17/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/17/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes.  Britain and the UN legally created Israel.
>
> In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United States.


False

> I shouldn't even say that since it's really just recognition of what the
> > country was for thousands of years.
>
> You're suggesting that the jewish people have always  been in control of
> Isreal?


No, but they've lived in the land continuously since biblical times.

Have they always been there?  Yes.  Were the always the predominant
> people of the region?  No.  The return of jews to the land of isreal
> didn't really commence until the late 1800s.

What do you consider the return of Jews to the land? There have been Jews
returning to the land for hundreds of years. I can quote Suleman the great
who called the Jews to the land when expelled from Spain. I can point to
numerous accounts of people traveling to live in the land and I can also
point to numerous accounts of massacres against the Jews in (and outside of)
the land.
The real difference was not the return of Jews. It was the return of Jews
who saw no other place to run to and decided to take a stand. That's the
problem that many have with Israel. That's the reason for the double
standard. The Jews took a stand rather then kept running. It undermines
Christianity. It undermines Islam. It undermines just about every social or
religious theology. Jews are not supposed to win. We're supposed to convert,
be submissive, disappear into the dust of history. We piss everyone off by
surviving.


Rick
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