On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United States.
>
> False

Thanks for  that convincing argument.

> > You're suggesting that the jewish people have always  been in control of
> > Isreal?
>
> No, but they've lived in the land continuously since biblical times.

That's irrelevant, really.  How long were native americans in North
America before it was invaded by the Europeans?

> What do you consider the return of Jews to the land? There have been Jews

The First Aliyah, I'd say.

> The real difference was not the return of Jews. It was the return of Jews
> who saw no other place to run to and decided to take a stand. That's the
> problem that many have with Israel. That's the reason for the double
> standard. The Jews took a stand rather then kept running. It undermines
> Christianity. It undermines Islam. It undermines just about every social or
> religious theology. Jews are not supposed to win. We're supposed to convert,
> be submissive, disappear into the dust of history. We piss everyone off by
> surviving.

I want to be very clear that I don't have a problem with Isreal's
right to exist, lest someone think that I'm blaming Jews for OUR
problems.  I am not.

-- 
Rick Root
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