Hey, don't forget California!
I want to vote for "none of the above" for Governor.
-Ben


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Trent Lott, certifiable looney
> 
> 
> I agree totally.  I personally don't care who nails who.  I 
> don care that both Lott and Daschle have stalemated the 
> political process for purely partisan reasons.  They disagree 
> and I say GOOD!  We need disagreement.  But to not allow 
> appointments to be allowed out of committees, to not allow 
> bills that you (one single person) don't like to even be 
> debated in an open forum is horrible.  Toss em both out.  
> Daschle is giving back what he got which makes him no better 
> than Lott.  If anything it makes him worse.  I can't stand 
> either of them.
> 
> As an aside, Illinois politics are in full steam and it's 
> absolutely depressing to listen to the debates, hear the 
> campaign ads because they're all about how they can spend 
> more of your tax money.  No one is talking about cutting an 
> already overly inflated budget.  Our state is in on the brink 
> of serious financial trouble and the solutions by the 
> politicians are how they're going to suck more out of the 
> casinos.  I can't find one candidate for governor that I 
> support.  Not one and that is really bothering me. 
> 
> Michael Corrigan
> Programmer
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Braver, Ben 
>   To: CF-Community 
>   Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:47 PM
>   Subject: RE: Trent Lott, certifiable looney
> 
> 
>   Michael, Larry, etc.:
> 
>   honestly, what I think started this "dilution" of 
> leadership in American
>   politics was the Gary Hart presidential campaign.
> 
>   Until that time, there was apparently an agreement among 
> journalists to keep
>   candidates' personal lives and quirks private, unless it 
> were something
>   egregious that might affect their fitness to hold office. 
> So you had a lot
>   of good, human, and decidedly imperfect people willing to campaign.
> 
>   Well, Hart threw down the gauntlet, and challenged the 
> press to follow him,
>   said it would be "dull". So they followed him, and it was 
> anything but dull.
> 
>   Since then, it seems to be "anything goes" in terms of the 
> press digging for
>   dirt on candidates and office-holders. So anyone with 
> either something to
>   keep buried, or any desire for a "private" life, would 
> probably not run at
>   all.
> 
>   What do we get, then? The kind of politicians we've got, on 
> *both* sides of
>   the aisle.
>   Sad, isn't it?
> 
>   Gee, where is Jimmy Stewart when we need him?
> 
>   -Ben
> 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:43 AM
>   > To: CF-Community
>   > Subject: Re: Trent Lott, certifiable looney
>   > 
>   > 
>   > No it's not and it was wrong then.  I don't like Trent Lott.  
>   > I think he was a bad leader and bad for the Republican party. 
>   >  If we were having this same discussion a year ago, I would 
>   > be saying the same thing except about Lott and not Daschle.  
>   > I think that the political leadership on both sides are a 
>   > bunch of self-indulgent children.  They lack principles.  
>   > They lack morals.  They lack honesty and integrity.  I'm 
>   > praying for the day when all of these guys are seen for what 
>   > they are and get booted.
>   > 
>   > My criticisms of Daschle are not, by default, an endorsement 
>   > of Lott.  Therefore, not hypocritical in and of itself.
>   > 
>   > Michael Corrigan
>   > Programmer
>   > Endora Digital Solutions
>   > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
>   > Lombard, IL 60148
>   > 630-627-5055 ext.-136
>   > 630/627-5255 Fax
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Larry Lyons 
>   >   To: CF-Community 
>   >   Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:22 PM
>   >   Subject: RE: Trent Lott, certifiable looney
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Is that any different from what Trent Lott did when he was 
>   > in charge of the
>   >   Senate? If you look at the actual numbers to date, the 
>   > current senate has
>   >   confirmed 39 of the republican judicial nominees. In 
>   > contrast at this point
>   >   in the Clinton administration the republican senate had 
>   > only confirmed less
>   >   than 30. 
>   > 
>   >   I guess that obstruction in the appointments process is ok 
>   > when a republican
>   >   does it, but not when a democratic party leader appears to 
>   > do something
>   >   similar. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?
>   > 
>   >   larry
>   > 
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>   > 
>   >   > -----Original Message-----
>   >   > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   >   > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:10 PM
>   >   > To: CF-Community
>   >   > Subject: Re: Trent Lott, certifiable looney
>   >   > 
>   >   > 
>   >   > I suppose you like the fact that Daschle wont allow judges to 
>   >   > be voted on in the Senate?  What about bills that HE doesn't 
>   >   > want to pass? They don't even get a debate on the floor?  You 
>   >   > think that's ok?  You've really got your priorities in the 
>   >   > wrong place.
>   >   > 
>   >   > Michael Corrigan
>   >   > Programmer
>   >   > Endora Digital Solutions
>   >   > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
>   >   > Lombard, IL 60148
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>   >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   >   From: Howie Hamlin 
>   >   >   To: CF-Community 
>   >   >   Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:56 AM
>   >   >   Subject: Trent Lott, certifiable looney
>   >   > 
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:52 p.m. EST
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Lott Blames Lewinsky Affair for 9-11 Vulnerability
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., suggested 
>   >   > Sunday that ex-President Clinton didn't do enough to counter 
>   >   > the terrorist
>   >   >   threat against the U.S. because he was too busy having sex 
>   >   > with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Lott made the connection 
>   >   > while complaining about a campaign ad run by North 
> Carolina Senate
>   >   >   candidate Erskine Bowles, who was Clinton's chief of staff 
>   >   > during the Lewinsky affair. The ad features Bowles and Lott 
>   >   > side by side,
>   >   >   smiling at each other.
>   >   > 
>   >   >   "It's very curious to me. Here he is - the former chief of 
>   >   > staff to President Bill Clinton. [The ad] doesn't show 
>   > him with Bill
>   >   >   Clinton. It shows him with the [then] Republican Majority 
>   >   > Leader of the Senate."
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Lott continued:
>   >   >   "My question would be, you know, as chief of staff to 
>   >   > President Clinton, where was he when Monica Lewinsky was in 
>   >   > the Oval Office?
>   >   >   Where was he when they should have been doing more on the 
>   >   > war on terrorism?"
>   >   >   Lott is the highest elected official to publicly draw a 
>   >   > link between Clinton's preoccupation with seeking sex from 
>   >   > underlings and
>   >   >   his failure to pay more attention to national 
> security concerns.
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Former senior Clinton adviser Dick Morris has contended 
>   >   > that Clinton met with Lewinsky more often than he did 
>   > with his own CIA
>   >   >   director.
>   >   >   In September, Morris told NewsMax.com that the Lewinsky 
>   >   > affair rendered the ex-president unwilling to take the kind 
>   >   > of political
>   >   >   risk that any serious effort to eliminate Osama bin Laden 
>   >   > would have entailed.
>   >   > 
>   >   >   "My sense is that the affair made him passive and 
>   >   > risk-averse," Morris said just weeks after the 9-11 attacks.
>   >   >   "As a result, I think he was less inclined to interfere 
>   >   > with the military or to order long-term involvement."
>   >   > 
>   >   >   Lott stressed to "Fox News Sunday" that, instead of backing 
>   >   > Bowles, he enthusiatically supports his opponent, 
>   > Republican Elizabeth
>   >   >   Dole.
>   >   > 
>   >   >   
>   >   > 
>   >   
>   > 
>   
> 
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