well yanno.... I'm only basing my opion on news stories like this.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/330302.html

And *I'm* accused of being a know-nothing.

::giggles::

Gel is right. Just keep on buying


On 10/24/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Dana wrote:
> > It's here, folks. The
> > question is how we can mitigate it,
> >
>
> That's where you lose Robert and many like him because you don't KNOW
> that.  You're speculating based on anecdotal evidence of a system that
> nobody understands.
>
> The problem is that they are skeptical beyond reason.  Let's ask a
> professional, Dr. Michael Shermer, Executive Director of the Skeptics
> Society who flipped in June of 2006:
>
> "Because of the complexity of the problem, environmental skepticism
> was once tenable. No longer. It is time to flip from skepticism to
> activism."
>
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=13&articleID=000B557A-71ED-146C-ADB783414B7F0000
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> May 22, 2006
>
> The Flipping Point
>
> How the evidence for anthropogenic global warming has converged to
> cause this environmental skeptic to make a cognitive flip
>
> By Michael Shermer
>
> In 2001 Cambridge University Press published Bjorn Lomborg's book The
> Skeptical Environmentalist, which I thought was a perfect debate topic
> for the Skeptics Society public lecture series at the California
> Institute of Technology. The problem was that all the top
> environmental organizations refused to participate. "There is no
> debate," one spokesperson told me. "We don't want to dignify that
> book," another said. One leading environmentalist warned me that my
> reputation would be irreparably harmed if I went through with it. So
> of course I did.
>
> My experience is symptomatic of deep problems that have long plagued
> the environmental movement. Activists who vandalize Hummer dealerships
> and destroy logging equipment are criminal ecoterrorists.
> Environmental groups who cry doom and gloom to keep donations flowing
> only hurt their credibility. As an undergraduate in the 1970s, I
> learned (and believed) that by the 1990s overpopulation would lead to
> worldwide starvation and the exhaustion of key minerals, metals and
> oil, predictions that failed utterly. Politics polluted the science
> and made me an environmental skeptic.
>
> Nevertheless, data trump politics, and a convergence of evidence from
> numerous sources has led me to make a cognitive switch on the subject
> of anthropogenic global warming. My attention was piqued on February 8
> when 86 leading evangelical Christians--the last cohort I expected to
> get on the environmental bandwagon--issued the Evangelical Climate
> Initiative calling for "national legislation requiring sufficient
> economy-wide reductions" in carbon emissions.
>
> Then I attended the TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) conference
> in Monterey, Calif., where former vice president Al Gore delivered the
> single finest summation of the evidence for global warming I have ever
> heard, based on the recent documentary film about his work in this
> area, An Inconvenient Truth. The striking before-and-after photographs
> showing the disappearance of glaciers around the world shocked me out
> of my doubting stance.
>
> Reducing our CO2 emissions by 70 percent by 2050 will not be enough.
>
> Four books eventually brought me to the flipping point. Archaeologist
> Brian Fagan's The Long Summer (Basic, 2004) explicates how
> civilization is the gift of a temporary period of mild climate.
> Geographer Jared Diamond's Collapse (Penguin Group, 2005) demonstrates
> how natural and human-caused environmental catastrophes led to the
> collapse of civilizations. Journalist Elizabeth Kolbert's Field Notes
> from a Catastrophe (Bloomsbury Publishing, 2006) is a page-turning
> account of her journeys around the world with environmental scientists
> who are documenting species extinction and climate change unmistakably
> linked to human action. And biologist Tim Flannery's The Weather
> Makers (Atlantic Monthly Press, 2006) reveals how he went from being a
> skeptical environmentalist to a believing activist as incontrovertible
> data linking the increase of carbon dioxide to global warming
> accumulated in the past decade.
>
> It is a matter of the Goldilocks phenomenon. In the last ice age, CO2
> levels were 180 parts per million (ppm)--too cold. Between the
> agricultural revolution and the industrial revolution, levels rose to
> 280 ppm--just right. Today levels are at 380 ppm and are projected to
> reach 450 to 550 by the end of the century--too warm. Like a kettle of
> water that transforms from liquid to steam when it changes from 99 to
> 100 degrees Celsius, the environment itself is about to make a
> CO2-driven flip.
>
> According to Flannery, even if we reduce our carbon dioxide emissions
> by 70 percent by 2050, average global temperatures will increase
> between two and nine degrees by 2100. This rise could lead to the
> melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet, which the March 24 issue of
> Science reports is already shrinking at a rate of 224 ¿41 cubic
> kilometers a year, double the rate measured in 1996 (Los Angeles uses
> one cubic kilometer of water a year). If it and the West Antarctic Ice
> Sheet melt, sea levels will rise five to 10 meters, displacing half a
> billion inhabitants.
>
> Because of the complexity of the problem, environmental skepticism was
> once tenable. No longer. It is time to flip from skepticism to
> activism.
>
> 

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