on the polar ice melt, if anyone is interested:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php


TORONTO: A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the
North Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.

The Ayles Ice Shelf — 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it — broke
clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about 800 kilometers
(500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian Arctic.

Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery. Within one hour
of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice island, leaving a trail
of icy boulders floating in its wake.

Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions, traveled
to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.

"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for many
thousands of years," Vincent said. "We are crossing climate thresholds, and
these may signal the onset of accelerated change ahead."
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The ice shelf was one of six major shelves remaining in Canada's Arctic.
They are packed with ancient ice that is more than 3,000 years old. They
float on the sea but are connected to land.

Some scientists say it is the largest event of its kind in Canada in 30
years and that climate change was a major element.

"It is consistent with climate change," Vincent said, adding that the
remaining ice shelves are 90 percent smaller than when they were first
discovered in 1906. "We aren't able to connect all of the dots ... but
unusually warm temperatures definitely played a major role."

Laurie Weir, who monitors ice conditions for the Canadian Ice Service, was
poring over satellite images in 2005 when she noticed that the shelf had
split and separated.

Weir notified Luke Copland, head of the new global ice lab at the University
of Ottawa, who initiated an effort to find out what happened.

Using U.S. and Canadian satellite images, as well as seismic data — the
event registered on earthquake monitors 250 kilometers (155 miles) away —
Copland discovered that the ice shelf collapsed in the early afternoon of
Aug. 13, 2005.

Copland said the speed with which climate change has effected the ice
shelves has surprised scientists.

"Even 10 years ago scientists assumed that when global warming changes occur
that it would happen gradually so that perhaps we expected these ice shelves
just to melt away quite slowly," he said.

Derek Mueller, a polar researcher with Vincent's team, said the ice shelves
get weaker as temperatures rise. He visited Ellesmere Island in 2002 and
noticed that another ice shelf had cracked in half.

"We're losing our ice shelves and this a feature of the landscape that is in
danger of disappearing altogether from Canada," Mueller said.

Within days of breaking free, the Ayles Ice Shelf drifted about 30 miles (50
kilometers) offshore before freezing into the sea ice. A spring thaw may
bring another concern: that warm temperatures will release the new ice
island from its Arctic grip, making it an enormous hazard for ships.

"Over the next few years this ice island could drift into populated shipping
routes," Weir said.



On 10/24/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on the contrary something of the kind happened off Ellesmere Island this
> past summer. Anyone who has listened to Living on Earth, even a little bit,
> and says there is no evidense, leaves me speechless. It's here, folks. The
> question is how we can mitigate it,
>
> On 10/23/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > RoMunn wrote:
> > > which means absolutely nothing in the context of global warming.
> > >
> > > On 10/23/07, Dana wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Al Gore has nothing to do with it. Is this not supposed to be the
> > worst
> > > > wildfire in umpty-ump years?
> > > >
> >
> > The whole "is it or isn't it" argument is ridiculous because there's
> > no way we can prove *or disprove* global warming.
> >
> > To you non-GW fist pounders I say this: continue to be skeptical!  But
> > don't be stupid.
> >
> > Our house was hit by lightening in September and I was skeptical it
> > would happen again: it did!  That's why I have home owners insurance.
> >
> > Nobody on this planet has ever seen the polar ice cap melt, nor is
> > there any history saying it did.  But it is now.  Something's
> > happening.
> >
> > Maybe we can stop it, maybe not.  But only a fool wouldn't try.
> >
> > 

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