The part about any of this is the retrofitting part - if I have to pay for it. Screw that. I have a 7 year old truck that only has 107K miles on it and it looks like new and runs like new. Why should I have to pay so that my engine that emits fewer hydrocarbons than a gas engine (although it does produce soot, which is a pollutant) to burn cleaner fuel? That is like buying a car made in 1965 and being forced to put a catalytic converter on it as well as all the other smog bullshit so that I can drive it. Unless the plan is to force those of us who bought vehicles prior to any new emissions standards to give up our vehicles and buy new ones. Again not a good solution. And what about all the farmers and truckers? You going to force them to retrofit or get new vehicles? Where do you think the extra cost is going to be passed onto? Us, that's who. We will be paying more for our goods because the trucking companies hauling all our crap around have to pay out the ass for retrofitting or replacements, and the farmers are going to jack the price of produce up so they can afford to buy new tractors. Is the government going to subsidize us? I hardly think so. Now if they decide to start using cleaner fuels and building new vehicles that can take advantage of these new fuels, and let those of us who have the vehicles we have now keep them, I am on board with that. I mean, my truck is not going to last forever. 10-20 years from now I am sure I will want to replace it, and then I can get one with the new engines to burn the new fuels. Until then, I am keeping my truck.
Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Prius Question yeah, I just don't understand all these complicated "solutions". We can build cars that run on Fabrege Eggs and eagle feathers too, but why? This sh1t literally grows on trees and solves lots of global problems in doing so: -------------------------- Currently the oil from Jatropha curcas seeds is used for making biodiesel fuel in Philippines, promoted by a law authored by Philippine senators Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Miguel Zubiri. Likewise, jatropha oil is being promoted as an easily grown biofuel crop in hundreds of projects throughout India and other developing countries. [1] [4] The rail line between Mumbai and Delhi is planted with Jatropha and the train itself runs on 15-20% biodiesel. [1] In Africa, cultivation of jatropha is being promoted and is grown successfully in countries such as Mali. [5] The plant can grow in wastelands, fertilises the soil that it grows in, and yields more than four times as much fuel per hectare as soybean; more than ten times that of corn. Jatropha produces about 1,892 liters of fuel per hectare (about 202 US gallons per acre or 4.8 barrels per acre).[6] Jatropha can also be intercropped with other cash crops such as coffee, sugar, fruits and vegetables.[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatropha#Vegoil_and_biodiesel ---------------------------- Here's the plan: (1.) Begin phasing in clean diesel. Older diesel engines can be retrofitted, cars can be built with newer diesel tech. (2.) Begin developing bio-diesel production methods such as from Jatropha. (3.) Begin phasing out non-bio engines and fuels. (4.) Full bio-diesel production. Timeline: 10-20 years. Done and done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:247600 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
