I don't know. And like Jerry, I am confused as to why it matters. On Feb 13, 2008 1:36 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't he a brit? > > They really have no business opening their mouth during any discussion > of civil liberties or torture. > > > Dana wrote: > > this maybe? > > > > http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=448717 > > > > On Feb 13, 2008 12:17 PM, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I will include another of your comments in my response to your first. > >> > >>>> I'm using MY definition of what I think is acceptable treatment for an > >> enemy combatant. One that has NO rights under the rules of land warfare > >> and could be summarily executed at any time as a spy or a saboteur. > >> > >> Just because you think it is 'acceptable treatment' does not mean the act > >> itself is no longer torture. If you think it is acceptable to torture > >> people for whatever reason, fine, just say that. > >> > >> Psychological torture is sometimes worse than physical. Not to be crude, > >> but if someone were to dunk your head in a toilet until you almost, or did > >> pass out, and you weren't sure whether each time would be your last on this > >> earth, I think you would probably start to feel pretty tortured. It has to > >> be a horrifying experience. Suffocation has to be one of the worst ways to > >> die. > >> > >> I also find it interesting how the U.S. convicted a Japanese officer after > >> WWII of war crimes for waterboarding and sentenced him to 15 years hard > >> labor, but now it's AOK when it is useful for 'us'. > >> > >> I am still trying to find something I read about what actually happens > >> during waterboarding. It was pretty disturbing. I am pretty sure it was > >> even posted to this list. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ... > >> > >> > >>> Do you have an actual argument or just a "feeling"? > >>> > >>> Todd wrote: > >>>> I call bullshit on this. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Water boarding is not torture. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cutting off fingers, electrocution, burning, beating, kicking, these are > >>>>> torture. > >>>>> > >>>>> Or to expand on the argument, while PHYSICAL torture is and should be > >>>>> banned, psychological torture isn't and shouldn't be. > >>>>> > >>>>> I mean the cops can use a lot of methods that are construed as > >>>>> psychological torture, but we'll prohibit our soldiers from doing so? > >> > >> > > > > > >
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