He is implying, I guess, that the Brits regularly torture and violate civil liberties.
Let me be clear about my personal stance. I am not too heartbroken over the 3 victims of waterboarding. What does bother me is the weasly-mouthed, Clintonesque parsing of words that is going on bu the administration about it. If we torture, say so. If we need to torture, say so. If we need to torture in certain circumstances, say so. If we need to violate laws at certain times, to gain an advantage, say so. Then, at least, we can talk about it as a society. Look at the numbers. Something like 80% of the country thinks waterboarding is torture. They also think it should be illegal. They also think there are times it has to be done. If it is a tool we absolutely do need, make it sort of like that old abortion tagline: rare, illegal, and safe and then the court marshal could decide, in a "self defense", or "jury nullification" way, that _this_ time was different, and the person who did it should not be punished for it. a little personal jeopardy for the torturers to be absolutely certain it is the only solution, a bad, bad, option but the only one. On Feb 13, 2008 3:55 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know. And like Jerry, I am confused as to why it matters. > > On Feb 13, 2008 1:36 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't he a brit? > > > > They really have no business opening their mouth during any discussion > > of civil liberties or torture. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:254232 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
