I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said after the first paragraph, but I take exception with the first paragraph.
Think al Qaeda. For the rest of it, to add some perspective that will both reinforce what you're saying and perhaps add some depth, I would recommend the new HBO series John Adams. I know it's Hollywood, and it's stylized, but it does communicate the emotions of the times and the impetus for independence. Good on you, mate. Excellent discussion. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -----Original Message----- > From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:26 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Adam... > > Take the number of people that may know 1/4 of what you just said, and > how to do it. > now take the US Armed Forces. Battle hardened...ready...fully > equipped. It's completely a pipedream and nothing more than > ideological philosophy to think that the Citizens could 'take back' > their country and go toe to toe with the Military. There will be a few > groups if any that would be in any position to do so. > > When the Patriot Act was changed to allow capture of American Citizens > without habeas corpus, when FBI documents were released noting that > there actually were a few American Citizens who were investigated, > arrested under the Patriot Act in circumstances which had nothing to > do with Terrorism, I didn't see any Americans marching on the White > House with Rocket Launchers and M16s. They sat and accepted it, in the > name of Security. > > In the name of whatever, the fact of the matter is that it was > accepted. > > If you're waiting for some sudden shift overnight where you realise > you are disenfranchised: again, an ideological dreamworld. > > It doesn't happen that way. > > It's a slow creep over a period of years. > > It's one rationalised Acceptance after the next, for all the right > reasons. > > By the time you sit up and take notice, you will realise that the > majority of the population would have been conditioned to just go > along with the status quo, so you'll have little if any support. You > will be Anti American, you will be Un Patriotic. > > Then you know what will happen by that time? You'll be labelled a > terrorist. Under the latest Homeland Security laws. > > And you'll argue fervently that you are actually a True American. > > But Fox News will call you a terrorist. And CNN will call you a > Terrorist. And MSNBC will call you a Terrorist. > > And 90% of 'your people' will think you are a Terrorist. Another 5% > will be undecided, another 2% will 'secretly' agree with you, and > perhaps a final 3% will actively try to make 'the truth' known...and > then they'll be locked up as aiding terrorism by the other 97%. > > Sure this may be an exaggerated and fanciful expose on the surface, > but track the laws that have been passed over the last 8 years, and > those that are being considered and on the table, and you'll realise > that these valuable freedoms which you claim to cherish have already > been greatly reduced. > > Your very right to Privacy, or lack thereof, affects whatever chances > you might have of 'taking back your country' and of being 'Tread on'. > > The fact that right now everything you type to this list can be read > by an FBI Agent with no judicial oversight and collected neatly in a > nice big database reduces any chance of you protecting your rights as > a citizen of the US. > > That's the reality, no ideology there. > > That's why your right to Privacy is so important, it goes hand in hand > with this Second Amendment about Guns and Militias and being able to > overthrow a corrupt government. > > Right to Privacy = Citizens Power. > No Privacy = Government Ultimate Power. > > Those rights, legislations and fundamental decisions made at the > levels of the Supreme Courts and the Whitehouse have more impact on > your ability to not be 'Tread on' than being able to own a rocket > launcher. > > The spiderweb is right there infront you, but the threads are so > slender that maybe it's a bit difficult to see. > > It doesn't happen Overnight. It never happens overnight. Look into the > History of Hitler's rise to power in Germany...it never happens > overnight. It is a slow and steady creep and little things happen > along the way that seem to be of no consequence, easily justified and > rationalised events. > > The message is alway sweet and sensible and fair, given the > circumstance. > > You cannot fight your Government militarily, Adam, no matter how many > weapons you collect, or how good a shot you are. > > The fight for your Rights, for your Freedoms is going on right now, > right this very minute in the courts, in the legislations that are > being passed in your country. > > And you know...you admitted it yourself a while back, when you noted > how deathly afraid you are of the police, of the legal system, of > saying or doing anything to put you on the Government's radar. You. > A Citizen. > Afraid of your Government. > Afraid to lose your Freedoms and your Rights. > > On 19/03/2008, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope, wrong. > > > > You can take out a tank with a handful of decent explosive, a sock, > and some > > heavy grease. > > > > You can take out a helicopter with one or more thin metal rods shot > out of > > homemade mortar tubes using some smokeless propellant (modern > gunpowder). > > > > You can stop a hardened humvee with a wheel snare. > > > > You can take out a jet while it sits on the tarmac. > > > > You can pick-off an armored soldier with one well-placed round. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:256913 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
