Empire by Orson Scott Card is a very good book. On 3/19/08, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Adam... > > Take the number of people that may know 1/4 of what you just said, and > how to do it. > now take the US Armed Forces. Battle hardened...ready...fully > equipped. It's completely a pipedream and nothing more than > ideological philosophy to think that the Citizens could 'take back' > their country and go toe to toe with the Military. There will be a few > groups if any that would be in any position to do so. > > When the Patriot Act was changed to allow capture of American Citizens > without habeas corpus, when FBI documents were released noting that > there actually were a few American Citizens who were investigated, > arrested under the Patriot Act in circumstances which had nothing to > do with Terrorism, I didn't see any Americans marching on the White > House with Rocket Launchers and M16s. They sat and accepted it, in the > name of Security. > > In the name of whatever, the fact of the matter is that it was accepted. > > If you're waiting for some sudden shift overnight where you realise > you are disenfranchised: again, an ideological dreamworld. > > It doesn't happen that way. > > It's a slow creep over a period of years. > > It's one rationalised Acceptance after the next, for all the right > reasons. > > By the time you sit up and take notice, you will realise that the > majority of the population would have been conditioned to just go > along with the status quo, so you'll have little if any support. You > will be Anti American, you will be Un Patriotic. > > Then you know what will happen by that time? You'll be labelled a > terrorist. Under the latest Homeland Security laws. > > And you'll argue fervently that you are actually a True American. > > But Fox News will call you a terrorist. And CNN will call you a > Terrorist. And MSNBC will call you a Terrorist. > > And 90% of 'your people' will think you are a Terrorist. Another 5% > will be undecided, another 2% will 'secretly' agree with you, and > perhaps a final 3% will actively try to make 'the truth' known...and > then they'll be locked up as aiding terrorism by the other 97%. > > Sure this may be an exaggerated and fanciful expose on the surface, > but track the laws that have been passed over the last 8 years, and > those that are being considered and on the table, and you'll realise > that these valuable freedoms which you claim to cherish have already > been greatly reduced. > > Your very right to Privacy, or lack thereof, affects whatever chances > you might have of 'taking back your country' and of being 'Tread on'. > > The fact that right now everything you type to this list can be read > by an FBI Agent with no judicial oversight and collected neatly in a > nice big database reduces any chance of you protecting your rights as > a citizen of the US. > > That's the reality, no ideology there. > > That's why your right to Privacy is so important, it goes hand in hand > with this Second Amendment about Guns and Militias and being able to > overthrow a corrupt government. > > Right to Privacy = Citizens Power. > No Privacy = Government Ultimate Power. > > Those rights, legislations and fundamental decisions made at the > levels of the Supreme Courts and the Whitehouse have more impact on > your ability to not be 'Tread on' than being able to own a rocket > launcher. > > The spiderweb is right there infront you, but the threads are so > slender that maybe it's a bit difficult to see. > > It doesn't happen Overnight. It never happens overnight. Look into the > History of Hitler's rise to power in Germany...it never happens > overnight. It is a slow and steady creep and little things happen > along the way that seem to be of no consequence, easily justified and > rationalised events. > > The message is alway sweet and sensible and fair, given the circumstance. > > You cannot fight your Government militarily, Adam, no matter how many > weapons you collect, or how good a shot you are. > > The fight for your Rights, for your Freedoms is going on right now, > right this very minute in the courts, in the legislations that are > being passed in your country. > > And you know...you admitted it yourself a while back, when you noted > how deathly afraid you are of the police, of the legal system, of > saying or doing anything to put you on the Government's radar. You. > A Citizen. > Afraid of your Government. > Afraid to lose your Freedoms and your Rights. > > > On 19/03/2008, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope, wrong. > > > > You can take out a tank with a handful of decent explosive, a sock, and > some > > heavy grease. > > > > You can take out a helicopter with one or more thin metal rods shot out > of > > homemade mortar tubes using some smokeless propellant (modern > gunpowder). > > > > You can stop a hardened humvee with a wheel snare. > > > > You can take out a jet while it sits on the tarmac. > > > > You can pick-off an armored soldier with one well-placed round. > > >
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