----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: RE: Summer Camps
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth In Alaska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:48 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: Summer Camps >> >> I guess I believe that to withhold medical treatment in your child >> interferes with the kids right to religious freedom. Its imposing the >> parents religious beliefs on the child, really. If the child chooses >> to not >> have treatment (at age 13 that seems a reasonable age, no?) due to HER >> religious beliefs thats one thing but kids younger than a certain age >> should >> just be treated, depite the parents beliefs. A kid isn't property. >> You >> can't decide to kill it based on your religious beliefs, right? So how >> come >> you can choosee to let it die for the same reason? >> >> Only adults or people of some age of consent should be able to opt out >> of >> life saving medical treatment. That is an adult decision. > > It's a worthwhile discussion, but not a simple one. > > Many prominent atheists have raised the idea that any childhood religious > indoctrination is "child abuse"... but is it really? Don't parents have > the > right to raise their children to the moral standards they hold dear? More > so isn't that absolutely expected of them? You know, I've been thinking about this alot recently - I belong to a strong online mommy's community with many religious families - some of whom homeschool sot hat their kids won't learn about evolution. Consider the FLDS. Isn't it their right to raise their children to believe that when they are 15 they are married off as sex-slave/baby machines to the powerful old leaders of the community? Or else they burn in hell? > As an atheist I can't understand the belief, but I suspect that your > friends > KNOW that transfusions are bad for their child just as I KNOW that they > should be taught to tell the truth and not to hurt others. I don't > understand, I can't understand it (and, honestly I think it's ignorant and > stupid) but that doesn't change the fact that THEY DO. > > Teaching their children not to transfuse, and protecting them from that > perceived evil, is as important (perhaps even more important) to your > friends as any ethical or patriotic teaching that I could name. > > IF you believe it would seem that a painful death on Earth is worth an > eternity in Heaven. Only a monster would sentence their child to an > eternity of damnation to save them some, temporary pain on Earth. My son > had his tonsils out: he went through painful hell. I voluntarily put him > through that because I KNEW it was best for him. True believers are just > as > sure that their choices are best for their children. Which is why the government needs to interfere and take the decision (that certainly must be heart wrenching) away from the parents. > > Working from this premise: how would you react if the law told you that > you > could not, legally, do what you KNOW is best for your child? By this argument you can abuse your child because you "know whats best". I know god wants me to impregnate my daughter. A child is NOT PROPERTY. It has rights of its own, including freedom of religion. I've decided that I beleive that brainwashing kids to be your religion is an imposition on the childs right to practice whatever religion they choose. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:265471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
