On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Sam wrote: > Present it. I remember that South Park episode! You want to see my left nut? Gross!
But since you asked... *zip* There! You happy now? Seriously tho, are you not paying attention? There are legal battles going down, man, this isn't some crack-pot conspiracy theory. *Your* personal information was probably turned over-- you don't have a problem with that? Maybe you never use the phone, so you don't care, much like Homer and Bart not caring about them looking into what people are checking out of the library. At some point, the people themselves have to have a problem with what's going on, Sam. I'm saddened that you don't, as it's pretty clear to anyone who's paying attention (and as much as I poke fun, I think you're paying attention) that plain unconstitutional, un-legal things have been done by this Administration. Other ones too, but this one has been super bad-- maybe you don't plug-in to places that are concerned with your rights, like the EFF? http://www.eff.org/ Heh, look at that-- google cut it's IP logs to 9 months! Weren't we just talking about that? SAD that private industry cares more about our privacy than our own government. It did not used to be that way (tho government *always* hungers for more power, so it was just a matter of time-- enough time for The People to forget why we even secured the freedoms) I'm pretty sure I've heard you espouse the idea that "if you're not doing anything wrong, there's nothing to fear", which pretty much ends it, for me, as far as you actually grasping WHY this stuff is important. WHY we protect the rights of even "bad people" and whatnot. It makes me fear for the future of the country, honestly. You seem smart enough to grasp what's going on, yet you are like, stuck at the "B" of A > B > C, refusing to believe A or C. All the evidence in the world will not convince you if you don't want to know the truth, Sam. There are volumes of it. Did you know, that it's a *fact* (I gave links last time we talked about this) that there aren't even *records* of who all got our personal information? No process was followed, and we don't really know who got copies (could have been the Chinese, or Russians, or, heck, those Israelis, who are quite good, neh? Our buddy India? Bah. Doesn't matter, if you need boogie men, and don't fear a government with too much power, you're hurting so much, no wonder you don't care about the rest of us). I've posted links to "hard proof" for you multiple times, you always seem to rationalize that "it's not that bad". I'm here to tell you, it is that bad, and mostly because of people like you (heh), who don't see a problem with our government listening in, harvesting etc., all our personal information. Why would there be this push for changes to the law to exempt the phone companies from turning over the info? That doesn't bother you in the least? Man, I just hope to god, that you are just messing with me, and in "real life", you're some awesome freedom fighter, holding these (self evident) truths up, fighting the good fight, telling your friends the crazy stuff our government is getting away with because no-one is standing up (a lot are (Re:EFF, etc..), but relative to population, not many). Maybe you should get into network security. Heh. Yeah, look around, man, there is plenty to hold these bastards accountable for. You've got to want to know the truth tho, and ditch the rationalizing that keeps you in your safe place. If not for yourself, for the Country, or even better, The People. These are important issues, my man. As much as you wouldn't know it by the major parties goals and whatnot. *sigh* We work with what we've got tho, bottom line. May you never be on the wrong end, Sam. As much as I like the idea of Karma, I wouldn't wish that on you. Do you really want me to dig up some legit links for you again? If you will seriously contemplate what's going on, I'll perform the 10 seconds of google work for you. -- Domination delegates the physical violence on which it rests to the dominated. Theodor Adorno ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:268625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
