Along with MD's excellent points, all of which are true, let me point out a logical fallacy in your post. It is called "an apeal to the people." You point out that all of these people supposedly protested in favor of Palestine, as if this proves the justness of the Palestinian cause. It proves no such thing. It only proves that a bunch of people protested. To use an old saw, if a bunch of people walk of the edge of a cliff, does that mean the right thing for everybody to do is walk off the edge of a cliff? Of course not. If 50 billion people ran into the street this very moment shooting hossanas for Palestine, that wouldn't mean the Palestinian cause was any more just. Either the cause is just or it isn't, but the number of supporters it has or doesn't have says nothing about how just it might be.
H. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:13:55 -0500 >Point: When Israel was created it was supposed to be aside an Arab state (the term >Palestinians was not created or used until years later). >Point: when Israel was created, it was immediately invaded by every Arab country >around it. >Point: the Arabs not only declared war but told the Palestinians to flee the >conflict because they expected to exterminate the Jews in no time at all. >Point: A large chunk of the land assigned to the Palestinian state was taken by both >Egypt and Jordan, neither of which decided to give it to the Palestinians. >Point: Israel signed a treaty with Arafat where he said he's stop the attacks and >fighting. >Point: He never did and all evidence points to him not only supporting the attacks >but financing it as well. >Point: When the Palestinans want peace they'll have to stand up to those who are >willing to let them die for war; their Arab brothers. > >At 02:05 PM 4/2/02, you wrote: >>>If the Palestinian Hamas and Islamic Jihad movements >>>were to conduct their attacks and suicide bombings >>>exclusively against the Israeli army in the >>>West Bank and Gaza, I would consider it equivalent to >>>the American Colonies struggle against the British >>>occupation, the Israeli struggle over 50 years >>>ago, etc. Instead, I consider it cold-blooded >>murder. >> >>So when Israel was created in 1948, and I wont get >>into how many people killed and left homeless, but >>what do you think that Palestinians called what was >>being done to them ? there was no Palestinian army,and >>no Palestinian Government, it was all against >>Palestinian civilians, and in the first Intifada, >>there was no Arafat and there was no Palestinian >>police , and there was not �Suicide Bombings� and >>�terrorist� for an uprising that lasted 10 years, yet >>the army still attacked civilians, cause there was no >>one else to attack.�.so by your definition of what >>terrorism is, does that not fit in as Israeli >>terrorism against Palestinian people ?, you seem to >>think that the Israeli occupation against the >>Palestinians just started when the Suicide bombings >>started happening, or after 9/11�.the Palestinian >>uprising has been going on for over 15 years now��and >>the Israeli oppression against the Palestinian people >>is not a cause of �Suicide bombings�, it�s a 52 year >>old conflict, and not a response to �terrorist� >>attacks against Israelis��This is not the US and >>afganistan and as much as Sharon likes to make the >>association that he is Bush and Arafat is Bin Laden >>and the palestinians are the Taliban and he is out to >>�make peace in world�, that is not the case. The US >>has not been oppressing and occupying the Afganies, >>and the US has not been killing Afganies for 52 years, >>and Bin laden was not attacking the US and its >>citizens in self defense and in the only way they know >>how� >> >>And to clear something out, when I post a response, or >>show URLs or argue with anyone, I can see that some >>think it�s a personal attack or an attack on Jews on >>general, or im trying to distort the image of >>somone(only Sharon!!), I apologize to those who feel >>that way, cause its not ment like that at all, and >>this is totally not an attack on Jews, this is trying >>to give my view and my points, and they are all >>against Israel and the Israeli army, and the there >>tactics and there oppression of Palestinians, nothing >>to do with anything against Jews in general, or >>against the Jews existence(like I was sadly accused!), >> and definitely not against anyone on this >>list�.Israeli army shooting at kids and women and all >>there tactics and oppression for the past 52 years im >>sure are of no direct orders from anyone on this list >>nor are are they the representative in any way of the >>Jewish religion. There are extremist and there are >>killers and there thugs and there terrorist and bad >>people in all religions, and you can never ever deny >>that, and as a Muslim I sure wouldn�t accuse a whole >>religion for the actions of a few , cause I sure know >>how that feels�There was protest all over the world >>yesterday in support of the Palestinians and for there >>blood shed to stop, even in China and Japan , and >>Belgium and all over Europe and In the US, even in >>ISRAEL, even the ISRAELI people went to the streets to >>demand there government ends immediately the killing >>and all the starvation and destruction it is >>causing�.when Israelis who are the main target for >>suicide bombers protest the actions of the government >>against ALL the Palestinians, you got to believe what >>is going on there is terrible and its true� >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! 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