that is a respectable position. And at some point the child itself has a right to be left the hell alone, sure. Where that point is can be discussed. But do you not agree that there is *some* point where we are talking about cells?
Because many people don't, you know. That, I have an issue with. I also have an issue with the fact that many "pro-life" people seem in fact to be anti-woman, I am not including your friend in that category. I myself have huge issues with abortion. Nonetheless, consider what happens when you start telling women that they *must* have a baby. It was the way it was for centuries out of necessity, and when there was no alternative, there was no alternative. Now that there is though, I have a major problem with saying well, so what if carryinig this six-month fetus to term will kill the mother, because clearly a baby is more important that its mother. This is what the ban on partial birth abortion *does.* Now. I just think that this is not a decision the government has any business making. The choice is messy and sometimes ugly, but so are all the options. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's also why there is an amendment process. > > Those same writers had just sent their son's and peers off to die for > this new found country. > > If you think that the federal government should protect the right of > women to be able to have abortions there is a process by which that can > be made to happen. > > You simply don't like that process because you know that with the moral > division on the issue in this country that such a measure wouldn't pass. > > Church and state isn't an issue, there are a great many people against > abortion, not just the religious, additionally, there is a real argument > about when it's appropriate, when is there a life. As we see younger > and younger premature babies living I have more of a problem seeing > anything outside of the first trimester. > > I have a good friend, an atheist objectavist that was at odds with me on > abortion. She feels it is completely a personal responsibility issue. > That with condoms, the day after pill, the pill, and the many different > types and styles of birth control that there is really little or no > reason for anywhere near so many accidental pregnancies. > > I don't want to cause a human child any harm. Not a potential child, I'm > not trying to protect just cells and blood here, a child. My standard > of life would be something like is it sustainable without the mother, > can it feel pain, is it aware, have nerves formed. > > Dana wrote: >> well see that is the problem with a strict interpretation of the >> constituion applied to issues the writers hadn't dreamt of. You can >> get there though either from a) separation of church and state or b) >> if you can't search my house why is your business whether I am >> pregnant? >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Yeah not so much, it's not in there. >>> >>> Different states should be able to set different standards according to >>> the legislation put forward by the elected representatives of the people. >>> >>> Should be constitution 101, what does the 10th amendment say? >>> >>> I will admit that even I have expanded my own limits on what should be >>> legislated at federal level, but this just doesn't pass the test. >>> >>> I'm pro-choice, would support that legislature in my own state, but >>> honestly, thats the form of government we're supposed to have here. >>> >>> >>> Dana wrote: >>>> the right to be left the fuck alone. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> What is the constitutional impetus? >>>>> >>>>> Gruss Gott wrote: >>>>>>> tBone wrote: >>>>>>> I think roe v wade was a terrible decision, it should have been left to >>>>>>> the states to handle. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I think it should've been left up to people who can see clinics from >>>>>> their window. >>>>>> >>>>>> You know, experts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:272259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
