On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Are you arguing we shouldn't have went in, shouldn't win or can't win?
>> Or all of the above?


I'm trying to get you to focus. If I say we might be winning, you say
we shouldn't have fought. Then the discussion just wanders all over
the place and becomes pointless.

> 1. Shouldn't have gone in.
OK.

> 2. How does one qualify "winning" when you've set back American foreign 
> policy more than 50 years?

Explain that.

> 3. How does one qualify "winning" when not even your oldest allies trust you 
> anymore?

I think you're wrong.

> If "winning" means Americans not dying in the 68th month of it's three month 
> war... then fine... you're winning.

When people stop dying in war it's a plus yes?

> One step forward, four thousand two hundred and four steps back... and 
> counting.

Now you've jumped the shark

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